Bidet recommendation?

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Claudine
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Bidet recommendation?

Postby Claudine » Thu Sep 01, 2022 12:17 pm

Getting ready for DH's ileostomy reversal on the 9th. The surgeon highly recommends a bidet, and a quick search on this forum confirms it. The price range is huge though. Any specific brand/style recommendation? I'm thinking an attachment that allows for heated water and is self-cleaning.
Thanks!
Wife of Dx 04/18 (51 yo). MSS, KRAS G12A, no primary

Tumors: L4 vertebrae 04/18; left adrenal gland & small lung nodules 03/19;
rectum 02/22 (pT3 pN0 stage 2A); L3 vertebrae 09/22

Surgeries: intestinal resection 05/18 (no cancer - Crohn's); adrenalectomy 02/20;
L3-L4-L5 fusion and corpectomy 05/20; LAR 04/22; ileo reversal 09/22;
L2-L3 fusion and corpectomy 09/22

Treatments: EBRT 04/18; SBRT 02/19; Failed adjuvant Xelox ; Folfiri + Avastin 03/19 - 01/20;
adjuvant chemoradiation (Xeloda) 06/22

prayingforccr
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Re: Bidet recommendation?

Postby prayingforccr » Thu Sep 01, 2022 1:01 pm

“A high-pressure water jet flow should be avoided as it causes reflex contractions of the anal sphincters and might damage the mucosa and anal sphincter in the long term.” Dr. Swartzberg put it in more plain terms: “This is a horrible idea.” Many bidets have a setting that is strong enough to penetrate the anus.Sep 7, 2016
11/19: colonoscopy
12/19: diagnosed with stage 3 rectal cancer 6+cm tumor
1-3/20: 20 sessions of radiation, mon-fri capecetibine+clinical trial drug m3814
7/20: 8 treatmentsFOLFOX
11/20: Primary tumor had complete response.
5/21: Multiple lung nodules (3-6mm) on ct scan
10/21: md anderson gives me 1 year without treatment/3 years with folfiri/avastin (refused)
3/22 No growth in nodules 6 months
8/22 beginning sbrt and immunotherapy
10/22 TIL Therapy

Claudine
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Re: Bidet recommendation?

Postby Claudine » Thu Sep 01, 2022 1:05 pm

Meaning that a more expensive one, with better control of the flow, is definitely the way to go! Something gentle...
Wife of Dx 04/18 (51 yo). MSS, KRAS G12A, no primary

Tumors: L4 vertebrae 04/18; left adrenal gland & small lung nodules 03/19;
rectum 02/22 (pT3 pN0 stage 2A); L3 vertebrae 09/22

Surgeries: intestinal resection 05/18 (no cancer - Crohn's); adrenalectomy 02/20;
L3-L4-L5 fusion and corpectomy 05/20; LAR 04/22; ileo reversal 09/22;
L2-L3 fusion and corpectomy 09/22

Treatments: EBRT 04/18; SBRT 02/19; Failed adjuvant Xelox ; Folfiri + Avastin 03/19 - 01/20;
adjuvant chemoradiation (Xeloda) 06/22

prayingforccr
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Re: Bidet recommendation?

Postby prayingforccr » Thu Sep 01, 2022 1:39 pm

Claudine wrote:Meaning that a more expensive one, with better control of the flow, is definitely the way to go! Something gentle...


Sounds like less is more in this instance, Claudine.

Maybe research amzn reviews
11/19: colonoscopy
12/19: diagnosed with stage 3 rectal cancer 6+cm tumor
1-3/20: 20 sessions of radiation, mon-fri capecetibine+clinical trial drug m3814
7/20: 8 treatmentsFOLFOX
11/20: Primary tumor had complete response.
5/21: Multiple lung nodules (3-6mm) on ct scan
10/21: md anderson gives me 1 year without treatment/3 years with folfiri/avastin (refused)
3/22 No growth in nodules 6 months
8/22 beginning sbrt and immunotherapy
10/22 TIL Therapy

roadrunner
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Re: Bidet recommendation?

Postby roadrunner » Thu Sep 01, 2022 2:00 pm

7/19: Rectal cancer: Staged IIIA, T2N1M0
approx 4.25 cm, low/mid rectum, mod. well diff.; lung micronodule
8/22 -10/14 4 rounds FOLFOX neoadjuvant, 3 w/Oxiplatin (side effects/reduced 70-75%)
neoadjuvant chemorad 11/19
4 rounds FOLFOX July-August 2020
ncCR 10/20; biopsies neg
TAE 11/20, tumor cells removed
Chest CT 3/30/21 small growth in 2 nodules (3 and 5mm)
VATS 12/8/21 sub-pleural met 7mm.
SBRT nodule 1/22
CT 3/22: Clear
Thoracic CT 5/19/22 Clear
6/20/22 TAE rectal polyp benign
CT/MRI 9/11 Clear

Claudine
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Re: Bidet recommendation?

Postby Claudine » Thu Sep 01, 2022 2:04 pm

!!! I'm not sure what to think now? Several people on this forum swore by the bidet... Maybe we should hold off and see how bad things are for DH?
Wife of Dx 04/18 (51 yo). MSS, KRAS G12A, no primary

Tumors: L4 vertebrae 04/18; left adrenal gland & small lung nodules 03/19;
rectum 02/22 (pT3 pN0 stage 2A); L3 vertebrae 09/22

Surgeries: intestinal resection 05/18 (no cancer - Crohn's); adrenalectomy 02/20;
L3-L4-L5 fusion and corpectomy 05/20; LAR 04/22; ileo reversal 09/22;
L2-L3 fusion and corpectomy 09/22

Treatments: EBRT 04/18; SBRT 02/19; Failed adjuvant Xelox ; Folfiri + Avastin 03/19 - 01/20;
adjuvant chemoradiation (Xeloda) 06/22

prayingforccr
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Re: Bidet recommendation?

Postby prayingforccr » Thu Sep 01, 2022 2:19 pm

Claudine wrote:!!! I'm not sure what to think now? Several people on this forum swore by the bidet... Maybe we should hold off and see how bad things are for DH?


I think if it was VERY gentle, it’s a go.
11/19: colonoscopy
12/19: diagnosed with stage 3 rectal cancer 6+cm tumor
1-3/20: 20 sessions of radiation, mon-fri capecetibine+clinical trial drug m3814
7/20: 8 treatmentsFOLFOX
11/20: Primary tumor had complete response.
5/21: Multiple lung nodules (3-6mm) on ct scan
10/21: md anderson gives me 1 year without treatment/3 years with folfiri/avastin (refused)
3/22 No growth in nodules 6 months
8/22 beginning sbrt and immunotherapy
10/22 TIL Therapy

Claudine
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Re: Bidet recommendation?

Postby Claudine » Thu Sep 01, 2022 2:22 pm

Too late anyway - DH ordered one, a very fancy (and expensive) one, but that means adjustable water pressure, warm air dryer, warm water, adjustable nozzle position, etc... I guess I'll report on his experience in a few weeks!
Wife of Dx 04/18 (51 yo). MSS, KRAS G12A, no primary

Tumors: L4 vertebrae 04/18; left adrenal gland & small lung nodules 03/19;
rectum 02/22 (pT3 pN0 stage 2A); L3 vertebrae 09/22

Surgeries: intestinal resection 05/18 (no cancer - Crohn's); adrenalectomy 02/20;
L3-L4-L5 fusion and corpectomy 05/20; LAR 04/22; ileo reversal 09/22;
L2-L3 fusion and corpectomy 09/22

Treatments: EBRT 04/18; SBRT 02/19; Failed adjuvant Xelox ; Folfiri + Avastin 03/19 - 01/20;
adjuvant chemoradiation (Xeloda) 06/22

prayingforccr
Posts: 403
Joined: Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:44 pm

Re: Bidet recommendation?

Postby prayingforccr » Thu Sep 01, 2022 2:29 pm

Claudine wrote:Too late anyway - DH ordered one, a very fancy (and expensive) one, but that means adjustable water pressure, warm air dryer, warm water, adjustable nozzle position, etc... I guess I'll report on his experience in a few weeks!


Some things aren’t worth skimping on :)

This would be one of them.

Don’t want a crazy straw, or a garden or fireman hose.
11/19: colonoscopy
12/19: diagnosed with stage 3 rectal cancer 6+cm tumor
1-3/20: 20 sessions of radiation, mon-fri capecetibine+clinical trial drug m3814
7/20: 8 treatmentsFOLFOX
11/20: Primary tumor had complete response.
5/21: Multiple lung nodules (3-6mm) on ct scan
10/21: md anderson gives me 1 year without treatment/3 years with folfiri/avastin (refused)
3/22 No growth in nodules 6 months
8/22 beginning sbrt and immunotherapy
10/22 TIL Therapy

Claudine
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Re: Bidet recommendation?

Postby Claudine » Thu Sep 01, 2022 2:30 pm

Don’t want a crazy straw, or a garden or fireman hose.


:shock: :lol: Definitely not!!
Wife of Dx 04/18 (51 yo). MSS, KRAS G12A, no primary

Tumors: L4 vertebrae 04/18; left adrenal gland & small lung nodules 03/19;
rectum 02/22 (pT3 pN0 stage 2A); L3 vertebrae 09/22

Surgeries: intestinal resection 05/18 (no cancer - Crohn's); adrenalectomy 02/20;
L3-L4-L5 fusion and corpectomy 05/20; LAR 04/22; ileo reversal 09/22;
L2-L3 fusion and corpectomy 09/22

Treatments: EBRT 04/18; SBRT 02/19; Failed adjuvant Xelox ; Folfiri + Avastin 03/19 - 01/20;
adjuvant chemoradiation (Xeloda) 06/22

Sunnycd
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Re: Bidet recommendation?

Postby Sunnycd » Wed Sep 07, 2022 4:11 pm

Claudine, how’s your husband? It’s been about 2 days since reversal, so I was wondering…I may be too late for the bidet discussion, but you might also consider a portable bidet, like those cheap plastic squish bottles you get for $10 on Amazon on days when he’s out and about. In fact, I bought a fancy bidet from Costco but while I waited for my non-handy husband to install, I realized that the squish bottle worked well, and returned the bidet.
DX Feb. ‘21 CC IIB @ 51
Jan. ‘21 ER surgery, temp. colostomy
Sigmoid, adernocarcinoma
T4aN0MX, G2
0/24 lymph nodes
LVI: indefinite
PNI: not identified
Margins: clear
March ‘21 started 4 rounds of CAPOX
06/17/21 last day of CAPOX
06/25/21 CT scan clear
CEA: @ dx 4, post surgery 1.9, post chemo: 2.9; 09/21: 1.5
07/14/21 colostomy reversal
09/24/21 CT clear
10/12/21 colonoscopy; 1 polyp
MSS, RAS/RAF wild, PIK3CA mutant

Claudine
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Re: Bidet recommendation?

Postby Claudine » Wed Sep 07, 2022 5:47 pm

Thanks Sunny, I will mention the squirt bottle! Surgery was pushed to Friday because the surgical team wasn’t working Monday (Labor Day!). So DH still has a couple of days... I think he’ll install the bidet (unlike your husband, he’s very handy, ha!), if he ends up not needing it much we will donate it (there’s a place in town that takes lightly used medical equipment).
Wife of Dx 04/18 (51 yo). MSS, KRAS G12A, no primary

Tumors: L4 vertebrae 04/18; left adrenal gland & small lung nodules 03/19;
rectum 02/22 (pT3 pN0 stage 2A); L3 vertebrae 09/22

Surgeries: intestinal resection 05/18 (no cancer - Crohn's); adrenalectomy 02/20;
L3-L4-L5 fusion and corpectomy 05/20; LAR 04/22; ileo reversal 09/22;
L2-L3 fusion and corpectomy 09/22

Treatments: EBRT 04/18; SBRT 02/19; Failed adjuvant Xelox ; Folfiri + Avastin 03/19 - 01/20;
adjuvant chemoradiation (Xeloda) 06/22

Sunnycd
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Joined: Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:36 am

Re: Bidet recommendation?

Postby Sunnycd » Thu Sep 08, 2022 6:09 am

Oh, then get the squirt bottle! It comes so handy in the hospital…you def don’t want to use the very rough toilet paper from the hospital when things start moving. I also bought adult diapers for peace of mind, though, thankfully, I didn’t need it (but again, it made me sleep better knowing I had protection. Will be thinking of you and your hubby tomo. :)
DX Feb. ‘21 CC IIB @ 51
Jan. ‘21 ER surgery, temp. colostomy
Sigmoid, adernocarcinoma
T4aN0MX, G2
0/24 lymph nodes
LVI: indefinite
PNI: not identified
Margins: clear
March ‘21 started 4 rounds of CAPOX
06/17/21 last day of CAPOX
06/25/21 CT scan clear
CEA: @ dx 4, post surgery 1.9, post chemo: 2.9; 09/21: 1.5
07/14/21 colostomy reversal
09/24/21 CT clear
10/12/21 colonoscopy; 1 polyp
MSS, RAS/RAF wild, PIK3CA mutant

Claudine
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Location: Montana

Re: Bidet recommendation?

Postby Claudine » Mon Sep 12, 2022 11:44 am

Well, here we are, 3 days post ileostomy reversal surgery. That part went very well, and DH was released from the hospital yesterday morning; his ostomy wound is healing well. His transit is working too, so far, no ileus like he had back in April. Unfortunately (but that was expected), it's working "too well" at the moment and he's basically living on the commode :( Good thing we got a fancy bidet (BioBidet BB2000), we installed it yesterday and it helps a great deal as he was already "raw" after 24 hours.
The doc doesn't want him to take anything like Imodium or Metamucil for a couple of weeks, to give his system a chance to work on its own. Good thing he can work remotely! I really hope things improve a little soon, because he's pretty miserable at the moment :cry:
Wife of Dx 04/18 (51 yo). MSS, KRAS G12A, no primary

Tumors: L4 vertebrae 04/18; left adrenal gland & small lung nodules 03/19;
rectum 02/22 (pT3 pN0 stage 2A); L3 vertebrae 09/22

Surgeries: intestinal resection 05/18 (no cancer - Crohn's); adrenalectomy 02/20;
L3-L4-L5 fusion and corpectomy 05/20; LAR 04/22; ileo reversal 09/22;
L2-L3 fusion and corpectomy 09/22

Treatments: EBRT 04/18; SBRT 02/19; Failed adjuvant Xelox ; Folfiri + Avastin 03/19 - 01/20;
adjuvant chemoradiation (Xeloda) 06/22

prayingforccr
Posts: 403
Joined: Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:44 pm

Re: Bidet recommendation?

Postby prayingforccr » Mon Sep 12, 2022 12:16 pm

Claudine wrote:Well, here we are, 3 days post ileostomy reversal surgery. That part went very well, and DH was released from the hospital yesterday morning; his ostomy wound is healing well. His transit is working too, so far, no ileus like he had back in April. Unfortunately (but that was expected), it's working "too well" at the moment and he's basically living on the commode :( Good thing we got a fancy bidet (BioBidet BB2000), we installed it yesterday and it helps a great deal as he was already "raw" after 24 hours.
The doc doesn't want him to take anything like Imodium or Metamucil for a couple of weeks, to give his system a chance to work on its own. Good thing he can work remotely! I really hope things improve a little soon, because he's pretty miserable at the moment :cry:


I drink half celery/half cucumber juice every morning to
keep the train moving, Claudine.

I have found that a tablespoon or two mixture of oat bran/applesauce/prune juice taken before bedtime with a big glass of water to be very helpful also.

I have a batch in an airtight container in the fridge.
11/19: colonoscopy
12/19: diagnosed with stage 3 rectal cancer 6+cm tumor
1-3/20: 20 sessions of radiation, mon-fri capecetibine+clinical trial drug m3814
7/20: 8 treatmentsFOLFOX
11/20: Primary tumor had complete response.
5/21: Multiple lung nodules (3-6mm) on ct scan
10/21: md anderson gives me 1 year without treatment/3 years with folfiri/avastin (refused)
3/22 No growth in nodules 6 months
8/22 beginning sbrt and immunotherapy
10/22 TIL Therapy


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