Bayer found guilty on Roundup

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Cured
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Bayer found guilty on Roundup

Postby Cured » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:22 pm

Big news. But probably no link to colorectal cancer yet
5-08:Stg 3 Rectal: 6/14 Nodes
Ace Surgn Remvd 90%Rectm,lots of Colon-Full Incision
Ileo Rev'd 6 Mos.
Radiatn+5fu Pre-Surgery
FOLFOX 8 Cyc,1-09
Clear Scope 8-17; CEA 2-18
Glory to God! Healed by prayers of many: for 10 yrs
7-18: tumor pressing against brain Removed
Metastatic to lung. CEA 6.9
Folfiri
CEA 4.5 after 1 chemo
8rds CEA 3
CEA 1.8, 2.3,1.7,2.2,5.7,5.3,2.3.4.8,8.4,9.1,10
12 rd Folfiri
Avastin ev 2 wks
Seizure Anti-seiz meds work-no driving for 6m
4-20PET: Lng spots=Chemo
2-21 tumor gth =Folfiri

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O Stoma Mia
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Re: Bayer found guilty on Roundup

Postby O Stoma Mia » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:09 am

Cured wrote:Big news. But probably no link to colorectal cancer yet

Does The Herbicide RoundUp® Cause Cancer?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensalzberg/2019/02/18/does-the-herbicide-roundup-cause-cancer/amp/

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Re: Bayer found guilty on Roundup

Postby Jack&KatiesMommy » Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:04 am

Ahhh...read the Forbes article...it looks like the "studies" proving the link to cancer may be very flawed.
Cynthia
Mommy to Jack (8) now (18) and Katie (4) now (14)
(My Most Precious Things)
Dx 8/11 Stage IV CRC (liver mets) CEA 2,600+
9/11 Folfiri 2/12: Failed Liver Resection
5/12 HAI pump/removed primary
4/13 Liver Resection
8/13-12/15 (10) RFAs lungs
5/17: Upper Left Lobe of lung resected.
02/18: 3 new lymph mets lung
05/18: Keytruda (MSS w/Intermediate TMB): NED CEA: 66.4, 39.2, 23.8, 13, 3.5 1.8, 1.0, 2.8 3.9, 5.0, 5.6, 1.5, .8,

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Re: Bayer found guilty on Roundup

Postby Cured » Wed Mar 20, 2019 3:11 pm

No good news for us. But now 2 California juries have found Monsanto/Bayer at fault.
Us Baby-Boomers have been exposed to many chemicals. Who knew /knows of the effects after years go by?

Sad to say, it is always follow the money and the true science. I tend to believe epidemiological studies, as that is as good of data we currently have. Cause and effect are hard to pin down.

I asked my Onc why I got cancer; his reply: Bad Luck.
I avoid chemicals and eat better, but without knowing the cause, it is impossible to react perfectly.
I will exercise more as the Chemo is concluded. Exercise is associated with lower cancer rates.
5-08:Stg 3 Rectal: 6/14 Nodes
Ace Surgn Remvd 90%Rectm,lots of Colon-Full Incision
Ileo Rev'd 6 Mos.
Radiatn+5fu Pre-Surgery
FOLFOX 8 Cyc,1-09
Clear Scope 8-17; CEA 2-18
Glory to God! Healed by prayers of many: for 10 yrs
7-18: tumor pressing against brain Removed
Metastatic to lung. CEA 6.9
Folfiri
CEA 4.5 after 1 chemo
8rds CEA 3
CEA 1.8, 2.3,1.7,2.2,5.7,5.3,2.3.4.8,8.4,9.1,10
12 rd Folfiri
Avastin ev 2 wks
Seizure Anti-seiz meds work-no driving for 6m
4-20PET: Lng spots=Chemo
2-21 tumor gth =Folfiri

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Re: Bayer found guilty on Roundup

Postby Utwo » Wed Mar 20, 2019 7:44 pm

Cured wrote:No good news for us. But now 2 California juries have found Monsanto/Bayer at fault.

Cured, do you understand that often such decisions by jury contradict established scientific facts?
I prefer one meta-study article in a mainstream peer reviewed journal over 10 decisions of US juries.
58 yo male at diagnosis: T1bN0M0, 0/15 nodes, low grade/moderately differentiated adenocarcinoma
03/2016 colonoscopy: 2 small polyps removed in left colon; CEA = 1.3
04/2016 colonoscopy: caecum sessile 3.5 cm polyp piecemeal removed with kind of clear margins
05/2016 "prophylactic" laparoscopic right hemicolectomy - bleeding, leak, infection
06/2017 CT scan, colonoscopy OK; CEA = 1.6
A lot of funny stuff discovered by CT scans in liver, kidney, lungs, arteries, gallbladder, lymph node, pancreas

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Re: Bayer found guilty on Roundup

Postby Jack&KatiesMommy » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:29 pm

As a lawyer (for 22 years) I have to agree with UTwo. Juries find what they want to find. "Get the bad guy" often trumps rational logical consideration of facts presented. It is actually quite common. Jury decisions are generally not decisive or instructive.

Cynthia
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Cynthia
Mommy to Jack (8) now (18) and Katie (4) now (14)
(My Most Precious Things)
Dx 8/11 Stage IV CRC (liver mets) CEA 2,600+
9/11 Folfiri 2/12: Failed Liver Resection
5/12 HAI pump/removed primary
4/13 Liver Resection
8/13-12/15 (10) RFAs lungs
5/17: Upper Left Lobe of lung resected.
02/18: 3 new lymph mets lung
05/18: Keytruda (MSS w/Intermediate TMB): NED CEA: 66.4, 39.2, 23.8, 13, 3.5 1.8, 1.0, 2.8 3.9, 5.0, 5.6, 1.5, .8,

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Re: Bayer found guilty on Roundup

Postby stu » Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:14 am

The thing is though I have a nagging doubt about so much pesticide use getting into the food chain . So much genetic modification on the go I guess the full extent of the implications on diet is unknown . I was explaining to my kids that grapes used to have seeds !! So much has changed .
I never heard of a young person getting Bowel cancer twenty years ago . I do think something has changed because the numbers have shot up .

I get the whole jury / evidence thing though .

Stu
supporter to my mum who lives a great life despite a difficult diagnosis
stage4 2009 significant spread to liver
2010 colon /liver resection
chemo following recurrence
73% of liver removed
enjoying life treatment free
2016 lung resection
Oct 2017 nice clear scan . Two lung nodules disappeared
Oct 2018. Another clear scan .

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Re: Bayer found guilty on Roundup

Postby henry123 » Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:46 am

stu wrote:The thing is though I have a nagging doubt about so much pesticide use getting into the food chain . So much genetic modification on the go I guess the full extent of the implications on diet is unknown . I was explaining to my kids that grapes used to have seeds !! So much has changed .
I never heard of a young person getting Bowel cancer twenty years ago . I do think something has changed because the numbers have shot up .

I get the whole jury / evidence thing though .

Stu


I think the China Study by Dr. Campbell studies/ explains the changes you are referring to.
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T4N2M1
7/16 Capox 9 cyc
9/16 cea 2
1/17 550
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iri+ avast fail
3/17 10577
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8/17 5623
9/17 497
10/17 52
11/17 12
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Re: Bayer found guilty on Roundup

Postby stu » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:23 am

Thank you so much for that Henry . I will purchase that .

My niece had indulged a bit and we chatted about a healthier diet . She has taken it fully on board and is now challenging my eating habits . Whilst finding it all slightly amusing I am in return being challenged too!!

I will read it over Easter ,

Stu
supporter to my mum who lives a great life despite a difficult diagnosis
stage4 2009 significant spread to liver
2010 colon /liver resection
chemo following recurrence
73% of liver removed
enjoying life treatment free
2016 lung resection
Oct 2017 nice clear scan . Two lung nodules disappeared
Oct 2018. Another clear scan .


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