The Budwig diet

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TinaFish
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The Budwig diet

Postby TinaFish » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:14 pm

Anyone tried it? You know, you blend cottage cheese together with flaxseed oil? Opinions, experiences, results?

I tried it when I was first diagnosed, and I just couldn't get it down. I thought it was so disgusting. Blending it together with an overripe banana was the only way to make it tolerable, and I didn't usually have overripe bananas.


But today, I thought maybe I'd given up too soon. If this diet really does help, then I need to have a stronger constitution and just get this stuff down my throat.
F 45, single mother to son, 7 and daughter, 3
DX: stage 4 Rectal Cancer June 2019
Tumor Location: ? cm above anal verge
Tumor type: Adenocarcinoma
Tumor size: 5 cm
Tumor grade: ?
TNM code: ?
Stage : Stage IV-B
# of cancerous lymph nodes: ?
Mets: Numerous mets to liver, lungs
CEA: 22 in July; 11 as of August 15, 7 as of Sept 20
MSI status: MSS
KRAS/BRAF status: KRAS mutation
surgery: TBD
Ostomy surgery: TBD
Radiation therapy: TBD
Chemotherapy : CAPEOX+Avastin, 6 cycles, with CT scans after 3rd and 6th cycle.

Rock_Robster
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Location: Melbourne, Australia

Re: The Budwig diet

Postby Rock_Robster » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:26 pm

Hi TinaFish,

MSK have a very thorough summary of it on their website; link below. For me it’s in with most of the “unproven diets” - as in, if you can do it, stay healthy, makes you happy, and don’t stop other treatment - it’s probably not going to hurt. However if I’m gonna eat something that’s not been proven to cure cancer, it’s gonna be a donut... :D

https://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/integ ... ig-diet-01

Cheers
Rob
Male 37; Melbourne, Australia
10/2018 Dx 3.5cm RC adenocarcinoma, 12cm from AV
Mod diff, EMVI+ LVI+ PNI-
3 LN; 4 liver mets, resectable
pT3pN1aM1a; Stage IVa. MSS, NRAS (G13R)
CEA: Oct-18= 12; Nov-18= 14, Mar-19= 2.4, Aug-19 <2.0
11/18 - FOLFOX x 6
3/19 - Liver resection
4-5/19 - 25 x pelvic radiation; complete met. response, TRG 3
07/19 - ULAR (robot), temp ileo, 1/27 LN
08/19 - Missed liver spot
08-11/19 - FOLFOX x 1, FOLFOXIRI x 1, FOLFIRI x 5
12/19 - Planned liver resection #2 & stoma reversal

TinaFish
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Re: The Budwig diet

Postby TinaFish » Mon Sep 02, 2019 10:13 pm

Yeah, I'm sure that MSK couldn't say that the diet worked unless there had been studies that they could reference. And of course the propaganda states that no one wants to orchestrate a study because there's no money for anybody in the results.

Aaaand of course we really wouldn't know how viable the diet was unless someone eschewed all other treatment and ONLY did the diet. And I'm sure it would be difficult to find a person like that. I just wonder if there's anyone on here who really thinks that it helped them. If so, maybe they have some tips on how to swallow it.

For me, it would have been easier to split the daily amount into four smaller meals. However, my blender wouldn't blend anything unless it had enough in it, and you're supposed to eat this stuff immediately after you mix it up. So I ended up having to go with two meals per day. I just saw the flaxseed oil in my kitchen cabinet today, and I thought that I can't even bear to use it as a salad dressing, or a cooking oil, or ANYTHING. That flavor is just permanently embedded in my memory. I reached to grab it and throw it in the trash, and then that little voice popped into my head, "What if this stuff can actually help you? Why would you throw it away?" So, here I am, asking about it.
F 45, single mother to son, 7 and daughter, 3
DX: stage 4 Rectal Cancer June 2019
Tumor Location: ? cm above anal verge
Tumor type: Adenocarcinoma
Tumor size: 5 cm
Tumor grade: ?
TNM code: ?
Stage : Stage IV-B
# of cancerous lymph nodes: ?
Mets: Numerous mets to liver, lungs
CEA: 22 in July; 11 as of August 15, 7 as of Sept 20
MSI status: MSS
KRAS/BRAF status: KRAS mutation
surgery: TBD
Ostomy surgery: TBD
Radiation therapy: TBD
Chemotherapy : CAPEOX+Avastin, 6 cycles, with CT scans after 3rd and 6th cycle.

Brearmstrong
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Re: The Budwig diet

Postby Brearmstrong » Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:15 am

I did it daily for about 9 months during folfox. Cancer came raging back. Who knows.
45 F Jan 17 2 sons
tumor appendix/colon
Muc Adeno 4cm
mod diff G2 T4aN2
nodes 8/50
CEA 4.6 after surgery <.05
KRAS G12D MSS
FOLFOX Apr-sep 17
Clean CT Jul 2017 lung 4mm, clean CT oct 17, CEA 3.4, nov 17 8.1. May 18 2.3,1.0,1.3, 1.3, 1.0, 2.3, 2.2, 2.1,2.2
Oct 2017 clean CT
Nov 17 PET para aortic nodes Stage IV
Folfori w/avastin Dec 17 CEA 7.1
May 18- surgery to remove nodes- 5 positive xeloda continues
Aug 18-CT NED Clear CT's Nov 18, Feb 19, May 19, Aug 19

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henry123
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Re: The Budwig diet

Postby henry123 » Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:22 am

I tried it for some. Don't remember why I stopped though.
I actually liked taste of it , nice creamy feel.
Add a bit of black salt and cucumbers chunks. See if it helps.
46yo M msi-high Lynch +ve
5/16 lap AR 14/21 L nodes +ve
T4N2M1
7/16 Capox 9 cyc
9/16 cea 2
1/17 550
PET CT mets in lung & peri
iri+ avast fail
3/17 10577
4/17 regro fail
5/17 cea 28800
5/17 CT inc in size of mes nodes ,onset of multi nodules in liver
6/17 Opdivo start
7/17 26754
8/17 5623
9/17 497
10/17 52
11/17 12
CT all clear exc a nodule in Lung. liver norm
1/18 3.6
4/18 2
Aspirin start
6/18 1.5 CT clear
12/18 1.1 CT Clear NED
6/19 .9 CT clear
9/19 1.2
Vegan yoga juicing
Still on opdivo

TinaFish
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Re: The Budwig diet

Postby TinaFish » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:25 pm

Brearmstrong wrote:I did it daily for about 9 months during folfox. Cancer came raging back. Who knows.


Thank you for giving me more reason not to eat it ;)
F 45, single mother to son, 7 and daughter, 3
DX: stage 4 Rectal Cancer June 2019
Tumor Location: ? cm above anal verge
Tumor type: Adenocarcinoma
Tumor size: 5 cm
Tumor grade: ?
TNM code: ?
Stage : Stage IV-B
# of cancerous lymph nodes: ?
Mets: Numerous mets to liver, lungs
CEA: 22 in July; 11 as of August 15, 7 as of Sept 20
MSI status: MSS
KRAS/BRAF status: KRAS mutation
surgery: TBD
Ostomy surgery: TBD
Radiation therapy: TBD
Chemotherapy : CAPEOX+Avastin, 6 cycles, with CT scans after 3rd and 6th cycle.

TinaFish
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Re: The Budwig diet

Postby TinaFish » Tue Sep 03, 2019 10:34 pm

henry123 wrote:I tried it for some. Don't remember why I stopped though.
I actually liked taste of it , nice creamy feel.
Add a bit of black salt and cucumbers chunks. See if it helps.


One of my favorite dishes is German "guerkensalad." Thinly-sliced cucumbers, vinegar, salt, some sour cream, and some black pepper. Mix it all together, and it's amazing.

I shudder when I think about turning the Budwig stuff into something savory instead of sweet.

I'm surprised you stopped eating it if you liked the taste of it. Did you feel like it wasn't helping you?

And I see that you started taking aspirin too! I've been taking one baby aspirin each day. Do you feel like it helped you get to NED?
F 45, single mother to son, 7 and daughter, 3
DX: stage 4 Rectal Cancer June 2019
Tumor Location: ? cm above anal verge
Tumor type: Adenocarcinoma
Tumor size: 5 cm
Tumor grade: ?
TNM code: ?
Stage : Stage IV-B
# of cancerous lymph nodes: ?
Mets: Numerous mets to liver, lungs
CEA: 22 in July; 11 as of August 15, 7 as of Sept 20
MSI status: MSS
KRAS/BRAF status: KRAS mutation
surgery: TBD
Ostomy surgery: TBD
Radiation therapy: TBD
Chemotherapy : CAPEOX+Avastin, 6 cycles, with CT scans after 3rd and 6th cycle.

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henry123
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Re: The Budwig diet

Postby henry123 » Wed Sep 04, 2019 6:53 am

Hi
I don't remember exact reason but I think I was hospitalized for blockage and never restarted taking taking cheese and flaxseed oil.
I am taking 150 mg aspirin daily as I am Lynch positive. Aspirin is for preventing ( hopefully) future reoccurrence.
46yo M msi-high Lynch +ve
5/16 lap AR 14/21 L nodes +ve
T4N2M1
7/16 Capox 9 cyc
9/16 cea 2
1/17 550
PET CT mets in lung & peri
iri+ avast fail
3/17 10577
4/17 regro fail
5/17 cea 28800
5/17 CT inc in size of mes nodes ,onset of multi nodules in liver
6/17 Opdivo start
7/17 26754
8/17 5623
9/17 497
10/17 52
11/17 12
CT all clear exc a nodule in Lung. liver norm
1/18 3.6
4/18 2
Aspirin start
6/18 1.5 CT clear
12/18 1.1 CT Clear NED
6/19 .9 CT clear
9/19 1.2
Vegan yoga juicing
Still on opdivo

Eternal optimist
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Re: The Budwig diet

Postby Eternal optimist » Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:24 pm

I used to follow the Budwig diet for a while. I had the Budwig muesli for breakfast, but didnt do this rest of the diet... which actually lays out exactly what you eat every day and when (starting with sauerkraut juice before the muesli and including a glass of champagne mid morning!)

Some days I liked it, and some days I struggled to get it down. Budwig had a strict order for mixing the museli, but I did it my own way. I ground flax seeds and nuts together (I worried about bowel blockages and it made it taste nicer),and stirred it into the quark and oil mix. I then added cinnamon and honey and a few spoonfuls of stewed fruit and mixed it all together.

I definitely felt better when having this for breakfast. More energy and also less joint pain and stiffness. It's a good breakfast on many levels from a general healthy living perspective. Emotionally I think it was important to me too, it felt like I was doing something positive for my health (and balanced out the sweet food and junk food I have failed to cut out my diet). I would probably go back to eating it if I have a recurrence, but ended up stopping because it was too time consuming to make and eat each morning. But for me it is only a cancer treatment in so far as I believe that eating the right foods, getting enough sleep and exercising helps your body fight cancer.
Diagnosed age 34 in Feb 2015, sigmoid tumour & PALNs
CapOx Mar-Oct 15
Resection of colon and PALNs Dec 15 -T3a N2 M1a
Xeloda Apr- Nov 16
Dec 16 - PALN recurrence, Radiotherapy
Aug 17 - FDG uptake in para aortic and retro peritoneal nodes, peritoneum, ovary plus small nodues on lungs. Only enlarged PALNs and small lung nodules visible on CT, but possible spine mets seen.
Sept 17 Folfiri and Cetuximab
April 18 NED
July 18 -surgery to examine what turned out to be a benign peritoneal inclusion cyst


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