Deb m wrote:Grouse Man,
With these law suits, how on earth can they possible prove that the individuals cancer was specifically caused by the product or whatever they were exposed to? How did the guy who won his suit against round up weed killer prove that his cancer was caused by that specific product and that he may of gotten it even without being exposed to that product?
All very good questions. But in answer to this particular one. They can't conclusively say he got cancer from roundup. Their is absolutely no evidence of that fact anywhere. No smoking gun, nothing at all that points to the fact that roundup directly caused his cancer. He won his suit, because of the emotional testimony and the handwaving of a lot of supposed experts trying to draw a direct line between roundup and it causing cancer. There is no such line. Best anyone had been able to say is that it is a probable cause of cancer in animals though no real evidence exists. They use correlative statistics and say its causation. Any reputable statistician will tell you correlation does not equal causation! The jury is selected to be unbiased and thus usually uneducated enough to not fully understand technical testimony. No one on that jury I suspect had any king of decent math or statistical degree, science degree or medical degree. The ambulance chasers want these to go to jury trials. A Judge or arbitrator gets educated and likely will not go in their favor. So it ends up being an emotional judgement in many cases.
Another one is J&J and baby powder causing ovarian cancer. Just how does that work? Wouldn't every woman have this? After all when we are babies we are constantly doused with this stuff at a time of critical development I should suspect that we should all have lung cancer from it. I am sure my mom and I had breathed in enough of if over those years! I mean they have been selling this since 1894! Again - Talc is about like brick dust. Just how does it end up getting into the ovaries in the first place? And even if it made its way there how would it get inside a cell and cause a mutation resulting in cancer? If its due to asbestos what's the mechanism? Ovarian Cancer has been studied extensively for a long time. Wouldn't you think it would have been found in the ovaries of many women with ovarian cancer? People looking for someone to blame latch onto an idea with the help of enablers by extension in this case think well talc can (maybe) contain some asbestos, Asbestos causes lung cancer there for Talc can too! J&J being who they are I seriously doubt would try an cover up a link between Talc and Ovarian Cancer. Who in their right mind would sell a product for 100 years that is used on babies if it could be shown to cause cancer!
Neither of these cases are like asbestos related lung cancer (Mesothelioma) or smoking! In the case of Mesothelioma its a particular form of crystal that gets into the lungs and constantly causes irritation which eventually leads to cancer of the lungs due to an inflammatory response. The cells get altered or mutated by body itself. Sort of like an autoimmune disease you might say. Also - this particular form of asbestos only comes from certain mines. Other forms from other mines are harmless, but they would have you believe that all cause cancer. They actually find these crystals in some cases in the lungs of people with Mesothelioma! Smoking its easy to show that many compounds found in tobacco smoke are direct carcinogens/mutagens. There is no doubt. When these compounds are isolated and administered they cause cancer every time! Vaping it was hopped would reduce these harmful effects. Turns out they have a whole new set of their own.
The issue of genetics and modified foods etc I'll have to leave for another day.