Can tumors bleed big amounts at a time?

Please feel free to read, share your thoughts, your stories and connect with others!
Mostu
Posts: 25
Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:46 am

Can tumors bleed big amounts at a time?

Postby Mostu » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:45 am

I was just wondering--does anyone know what's the exact mechanism of the rectal bleeding that would indicate CRC? I've read somewhere, that a lot of blood coming out of rectum could be indicative of hemorrhoids as well as CRC. I would agree that when hemorrhoids get filled with blood and then they rupture, the bleeding might be significant and then it stops. But with a tumor, how exactly can it bleed so much? I always thought of tumors like of growths that could get irritated and bleed, but really small amounts, because tumors don't pop like a balloon right?

I'm asking because I recently had a pretty significant one time bleeding, which subsided after couple minutes and as much as I want to believe that it was a hemorrhoid, I keep thinking that it was a tumor. Despite me being 22 years old and getting an almost clean (found a tiny benign polyp) colonoscopy about 7 months ago. I've seen some sources saying that crc bleeding is small and sometimes not even noticeable, but I still can't get the other sources out of my head, the ones that say that moderate bleeding could be cancer. Anyone?

User avatar
susie0915
Posts: 847
Joined: Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:17 am
Facebook Username: Susan DeGrazia Hostetter
Location: Michigan

Re: Can tumors bleed big amounts at a time?

Postby susie0915 » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:56 am

I think any blood should be checked out. I had a 2cm rectal tumor. The bleeding was never heavy. It was usually occasionally streaked on the stool or when I wiped. I also assumed it was hemorrhoids as I had a colonoscopy a few years before that showed internal hemorrhoids. I did one of those take home stool sample tests and sent in the sample when I did not see blood on the stool and it came up showing blood. I had a colonoscopy and the gastro found a rectal tumor. The surgeon said it had probably been there 5 years and the last colonoscopy didn't see it because it began forming right after, or it was just beginning and was not able to be seen. I would suggest calling your doctor, but since you had a colonoscopy 7 months ago that was okay I believe you will be fine.
58 yrs old Dx @ 55
5/15 DX T3N0MO
6/15 5 wks chemo/rad
7/15 sigmoid/scar tissue left
8/15 Pet scan NED
9/15 LAR
0/24 nodes
10/15 Bowel blockage. surgery,early ileo rev, c-diff inf :(
12/15 6 rds of xelox
5/16 Clear CT lung scarring/inflammation
9/16 clear colonoscopy
4/17 CT 4mm lung nod
7/17 no change lung nod
10/17 Clear pel/abd CT
11/17 CEA<.5
1/18 CT/Lung no change in 4mm nodule
5/18 CEA<.5, clear CT pel/abd/lung nod no change

hiker
Posts: 59
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:15 am

Re: Can tumors bleed big amounts at a time?

Postby hiker » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:59 am

Yes, colon tumors can bleed quite a bit, at least mine did. Sometimes I would get off the toilet and the bowl would be full of blood.

But you say you just had a colonoscopy 7 months ago, which means that would have to be one fast growing tumor and usually colon cancer tumors don't grow that fast.
Colonoscopy 2/17, 5cm tumor descending
Diagnosed stage iv, liver mets 3/17
Colon resection 3/17
Told surgery not an option, get my affairs in order
Meet w/MSK team 5/01/17
Folfox(3rds) 5/17-6/17
Liver resection/implant HAI pump 7/17
HAI pump chemo(5rds) 8/17-2/18
Folfiri+Vectibix(11rds) 8/17-2/18
Spot on chest CT 10/17
Lung biopsy (that was fun) 11/17
Nocardia bacterial infection w/spread to brain (this is serious) 11/17
IV antibiotics 12/17-2/18
Oral antibiotics 3/18-present
Clear of cancer since surgery

Mostu
Posts: 25
Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:46 am

Re: Can tumors bleed big amounts at a time?

Postby Mostu » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:09 am

How big was your tumor though? I had a colonoscopy because 2 months prior to it, I bled pretty significantly, and the doctors didn't feel anything during PR examination. The colonoscopy came out fine besides the polyp, but still nobody knows what caused the bleeding. My guess is that it was an internal hemorrhoid which burst and then healed between the first bleeding and colonoscopy, so doctors didn't see it maybe? Anyways, I'm kinda worried that the previous bleeding was caused by a tumor that was somehow missed on a colonoscopy, that's why I'm asking about the size of yours. Because if they could find a 4mm polyp, then they rather wouldn't miss a couple cm tumor... Hopefully

hiker
Posts: 59
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:15 am

Re: Can tumors bleed big amounts at a time?

Postby hiker » Fri Sep 21, 2018 8:42 am

My tumor was 5cm. I don't believe it would be possible to miss a tumor. Your hemorrhoid theory sounds plausible.
Colonoscopy 2/17, 5cm tumor descending
Diagnosed stage iv, liver mets 3/17
Colon resection 3/17
Told surgery not an option, get my affairs in order
Meet w/MSK team 5/01/17
Folfox(3rds) 5/17-6/17
Liver resection/implant HAI pump 7/17
HAI pump chemo(5rds) 8/17-2/18
Folfiri+Vectibix(11rds) 8/17-2/18
Spot on chest CT 10/17
Lung biopsy (that was fun) 11/17
Nocardia bacterial infection w/spread to brain (this is serious) 11/17
IV antibiotics 12/17-2/18
Oral antibiotics 3/18-present
Clear of cancer since surgery

User avatar
betsydoglover
Posts: 932
Joined: Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:31 pm
Facebook Username: Betsy Lindh Williams
Location: Maryland - outside DC

Re: Can tumors bleed big amounts at a time?

Postby betsydoglover » Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:21 pm

In my experience, tumors can bleed, even a lot. I had several instances of blood in stool which is why I saw a gastroenterologist. Once I saw a toilet bowl full of blood. When my diagnostic scope was done, my GI doc poked repeatedly at the tumor and it never bled. So, it seems that the situation can vary from time to time.
Betsy
diag. Stage IV, 5/05, liver met
lap sigmoid colectomy, 6/05
6 cycles Xeloda/oxaliplatin/Avastin (NED after 2)
11/08 9x13mm right lower lobe lung nodule; removed via VATS 4/09
NED
6 cycles Xeloda + Avastin
Avastin only 10/09-5/11
Still NED 06/18

Capercrohnieileo
Posts: 17
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:42 pm
Facebook Username: Jayne Olson
Location: NS, Canada

Re: Can tumors bleed big amounts at a time?

Postby Capercrohnieileo » Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:41 pm

Crc and hemorrhoids are not the only causes of rectal bleed IBD (ulcerative colitis and Crohn's) can cause bleeding as well.
Severe Crohn's colitis jan 2015
Developed fistulas feb 2015
Open total proctocolectomy with end ileostomy (bye bye colon and rectum hello barbie butt) because of fistulas, Crohn's and crc risk May 5, 2017
Gastroduodenal Crohn's Nov 1, 2017
Severe Gastroparesis (delayed gastric emptying) Nov 9, 2017 GES showed 70 % remaining in stomach at 4 hrs. Normal is <10%
Jejunostomy (J tube) surgery sometime in Oct 2018

Mostu
Posts: 25
Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:46 am

Re: Can tumors bleed big amounts at a time?

Postby Mostu » Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:23 am

I know that other diseases can cause bleeding but I'm convinced that I have cancer now. I truly believe that the scope 7 months ago missed the cancer somehow. Since the bleeding, I have diarrhea and didn't have a normal stool yet. No more blood though. Going to my doc on Wednesday but I can't sleep and eat from stress.

Mostu
Posts: 25
Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:46 am

Re: Can tumors bleed big amounts at a time?

Postby Mostu » Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:38 am

I've read some statistics and here's what I concluded :


-the chance of getting bowel cancer in your lifetime is low
-EVEN if I was supposed to get bowel cancer in my lifetime, 99% cases are in people 40 years old or older
-EVEN if I was in that 1 percent who gets cancer below the age of 40, colonoscopy cancer miss rate is about 6%

Im getting too many panic attacks now, it will be a long wait until my doctor visit on Wednesday

hiker
Posts: 59
Joined: Thu Aug 09, 2018 10:15 am

Re: Can tumors bleed big amounts at a time?

Postby hiker » Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:47 am

Take a breath and relax. There's probably a better chance of you getting hit by lightning than having colon cancer.

And if you're worst fears come true, there are treatments.

Do yourself a favor and stay off the internet.

I pray everything turns out fine.

hiker
Colonoscopy 2/17, 5cm tumor descending
Diagnosed stage iv, liver mets 3/17
Colon resection 3/17
Told surgery not an option, get my affairs in order
Meet w/MSK team 5/01/17
Folfox(3rds) 5/17-6/17
Liver resection/implant HAI pump 7/17
HAI pump chemo(5rds) 8/17-2/18
Folfiri+Vectibix(11rds) 8/17-2/18
Spot on chest CT 10/17
Lung biopsy (that was fun) 11/17
Nocardia bacterial infection w/spread to brain (this is serious) 11/17
IV antibiotics 12/17-2/18
Oral antibiotics 3/18-present
Clear of cancer since surgery

KimT
Posts: 600
Joined: Sat Feb 20, 2010 8:53 pm

Re: Can tumors bleed big amounts at a time?

Postby KimT » Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:25 am

I would advise laying off google. They didn’t miss a tumor when they did the colonoscopy. Doesn’t mean you don’t have a problem, but it’s not colon cancer. You might consider talking to your doctor about your anxiety. Best of luck.
2/10 dx colon cancer
right hemicolectomy 3/19/10
Stage 2a 0/43 nodes
Lynch syndrome
3/14/10 colon resection/ removal of metal clips
Nov 11 dx ovarian cancer

DarknessEmbraced
Posts: 3128
Joined: Sat Nov 01, 2014 4:54 pm
Facebook Username: Riann Fletcher
Location: New Brunswick, Canada

Re: Can tumors bleed big amounts at a time?

Postby DarknessEmbraced » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:45 pm

I'm sorry you're going through this!*hugs* I'm glad you're seeing your doctor. Good luck!*hugs*
Diagnosed 10/28/14, age 36
Colon Resection 11/20/14, LAR (no illeo)
Stage 2a colon cancer, T3NOMO
Lymph-vascular invasion undetermined
0/22 lymph nodes
No chemo, no radiation
Clear Colonoscopy 04/29/15
NED 10/20/15
Ischemic Colitis 01/21/16
NED 11/10/16
CT Scan moved up due to high CEA 08/21/17
NED 09/25/17


Return to “Colon Talk - Colon cancer (colorectal cancer) support forum”



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Nohogirl and 43 guests