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PERMANENT COLOSTOMY/VS RESTRUCTURE

Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:57 pm
by Gloriamazz
Hi Team, I need your help in this poll.[color=#000000][/color]

I need your opinions with a permanent colostomy VS/ a REVERSAL My tumor is cancerous and as large as a walnut and 1.9 cm away from the Anal verge. Per MRI Report.

If this was your report would you have a restructure or a colostomy.
If you have experience with a colostomy which one do you use and what are the pros and cons of the device.

Endosonographic Finding
A mass was found in the rectum 4 cm from the anal verge per Ultra Sound Report. The mass measures 50 mm in length and 12 mm in width. No evidence suggesting invasion into the musculari propria (Layer 4) without breakthrough in the perirectal fat. No evidence of invasion into the adjacent structure

MRI PELVIS WO/W IVCON-DETAILS
Impression

Anal Neoplasm with Transmural invasion through Anterior-left lateral aspect of in internal anal sphincter into intersphincteric fat.
Lesion contacts the left external anal sphincter complex and posterior wall of vagina' perineal body, but without gross intramuscular tumor signal.
No suspicious Lymphadenopathy
By Mri this would be a T2 No Lesion

My understanding once the Sphincter is involved with the mass it is better to have a colostomy especial with a 1.9 cm Anal Verge on other report is 4 cm away from anal verge.

If I opted for the restructure I would have to have Chemo and Radiation and who knows what other issues could arise. With the colostomy, my surgeon said I would be CANCER FREE.

I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR HELPING ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SPHINCTER INVOLVEMENT IS AND WOULD IT BE WORTH ALL THAT IS I NVOLVED FOR THE REVERSAL.

I AM 73 YEARS OLD NOT LOOKING FOR A RELATIONSHIP. I AM MARRIED. if I WERE 35 MY ATTITUDE WOULD PROBABLY BE DIFFERENT

THANK YOU,
GLORIA

Re: PERMANENT COLOSTOMY/VS RESTRUCTURE

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 6:15 am
by AppleTree
I hope you have a board certified colo-rectal surgeon. I never heard of a colostomy being a guarantee not to have cancer anymore!

I would go get a 2nd opinion. It does not sound like your current DR really explained things to you. Or, does your DR have a good nurse who can help You? My oncologist has a very good nurse who has helped me several times during the past months.

Re: PERMANENT COLOSTOMY/VS RESTRUCTURE

Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:33 am
by Atoq
I have had a colostomy for some months and it was easy to adjust. Of course it is also nice now after reversal, but I had radiation and several surgeries which can be quite hard to go through. And there is no guarantee that you will have a good life quality after reversal. So in your case I would go for the colostomy and skip all extra treatments and surgeries.
For me it was never an option, I had to have chemoradiation anyway.

Claudia

Re: PERMANENT COLOSTOMY/VS RESTRUCTURE

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:24 pm
by mhf1986
DH has had his colostomy for almost 2 years now. The restructure failed a week after the surgery, resulting in sepsis. Surgeon said the intestines were just too weak to hold but he wanted to give DH a chance at it. I wish we had chosen the ostomy going in because the sepsis delayed treatment by at least a month.

DH goes to work on non-chemo days via the subway and makes sure he has adequate supplies in his briefcase and in the office. The only thing he hasn't done is go in the ocean/pool with his pouch but he was never big on this anyway. We've been to Italy, on a cruise, to Disney, etc. There are websites/blogs we've read to pick up tips/tricks. For example, the pouching system he uses now is not what we were shown in the hospital.

Do ask for other surgical/medical opinions on surgery/treatment. Do not let anyone tell you that an ostomy will slow you down!

Re: PERMANENT COLOSTOMY/VS RESTRUCTURE

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 2:08 pm
by MissMolly
Gloria:
The MRI finding of cancer cell intrusion into the left anal sphincters (internal and external) would be best addressed by a permanent colostomy.

The anal sphincter finding is a “game changer” from other low rectal cancers without anal sphincter involvement.

An attempt at reconnection (with anal sphincter damage) would most likely find you incontinent of stool and needing to wear Depends/adult diapers.

Feel free to visit the UOAA forum and “talk” with other individuals with a permanent colostomy. An ostomy does not preclude a full and engaging life. The ostomy forum group includes a college professor, a Boy Scout troop leader, a swimming coach, a lawyer, an occupational therapist, et. al. People living their lives in a normal manner.

www.uoaa.org
Karen

Re: PERMANENT COLOSTOMY/VS RESTRUCTURE

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:34 pm
by Gloriamazz
ExactlyI agree if the Sphincters were not involved it would be all together different. Of course, I would like a reversal but I accept the colostomy as it would be easier on me and hopefully dont need Radiation.

My family is rasied my girls are in their 40s. I will be fine. Please tell me about the adjustments you have to make mentally and physically for the colostomy. Am i going to feel an ything or just no feeling on the backside. Woud you elect to do the colostomy again given the choice

Thank you

re: Pain can’t deal with it any more

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:48 pm
by Gloriamazz
Ihave pain that is horrific even the acetemenephine 325 Oxycodone does not take away the pain all the time. Been taking sitz baths. Any suggesstions. I have been dealing with this pain since the 1st week in May.

Dr says surgery 2nd week in August Hopefully need colostomy class too.

Re: PERMANENT COLOSTOMY/VS RESTRUCTURE

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:53 pm
by Gloriamazz
What is this paragraph saying. Thank you!
MRI PELVIS WO/W IVCON-DETAILS
Impression

Anal Neoplasm with Transmural invasion through Anterior-left lateral aspect of in internal anal sphincter into intersphincteric fat.
Lesion contacts the left external anal sphincter complex and posterior wall of vagina' perineal body, but without gross intramuscular tumor signal.
No suspicious Lymphadenopathy
By Mri this would be a T2 No Lesion

Re: PERMANENT COLOSTOMY/VS RESTRUCTURE

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:26 pm
by MissMolly
Gloria:
A former colon club member, Belle Piazza, wrote a heartfelt personal essay about her decision to undergo a permanent colostomy due rectal cancer. I mentioned Belle’s 3 part writing, titled “Colostomy Colundrum,” in an earlier post to you.

Belle’s writing is powerful in her first person narrative and would speak to many of the questions and concerns that you have. You can find Belle’s 3 part writing by finding the topic titled “BLOG post Archive” on this first page of the forum. “BLOG post Archive” is the 10th topic down from the top of the topic listings.

Reading Belle’s writings titled “Colostomy Colundrum” will give you personal and unfiltered insights. Belle wrote these blog posts hoping that her writings could help someone just like you.
Take a moment to find and read the 3-part blog post series “Colostomy Colundrum.”
Karen

Re: PERMANENT COLOSTOMY/VS RESTRUCTURE

Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2018 2:50 am
by hawkowl
I also had a very low lesion and opted for a permanent colostomy. It really doesn't slow me down at all, and I am able to travel and enjoy life. I didn't want to risk being tied to a bathroom with LARS or having to limit my diet. I use a convatec natura flange and wear a NuHope belt and can easily go a week or more with no leaks or other issues. I am very happy with my decision