Alcohol use since diagnosis

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Re: Alcohol use since diagnosis

Postby O Stoma Mia » Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:00 am

Drinking Even One Beer a Day Can Up Your Cancer Risk
https://www.menshealth.com/health/alcohol-raises-cancer-risk

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Re: Alcohol use since diagnosis

Postby Atoq » Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:18 am

I wonder if the study consider quality of alcohol as well, a glass of good red wine is the same as a bad quality one?
What about difference between people in the ability to break down alcohol?
What about the positive effects on heart and blood circulation?

Claudia
1972, 2 kids
Dx rectal cancer 10.2017
T3N2aMX (met left lung 8 mm)
Lynch neg
CEA 1.8
Neoadjuvant chemoradio Xeloda + 25x2 Gy
05.12.17 laparotomic surg. for blockage, colostomy
25.01.18 laparotomic lar, hysterectomy, ileostomy
05.03.18 core needle lung biopsy
07.05.18 CAT scan, lung met 11 mm
04.06.18 ileo reversal
26.06.18 wedge VATS
24.08.18, 31.02.19 CAT scan
12.09.18, 06.02.19 scope, CEA 1.6
19.11.18 scope
20.08.19 CAT, eco
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Re: Alcohol use since diagnosis

Postby Robino1 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:41 am

So many variables. Just as one person becomes an alcoholic, another person doesn't. Just as we find in cancer, one treatment works for one person and it doesn't in another.

All we can really do is try to fight and to love life for as long as we can.
At 54 2014 1st colonoscopy colon cancer detect
Colon resect margins clear. No chemo Stage II
2017
Distend abd, pain in intestines.
CT scan seeding & Ascites
Lap diag - cancer on the omentum
CEA 217; 219
FOLFOX started 6/17
CEA 202
8/29/17 CT melting of tumor.
Latest CT scan shows 2 new tumors and return of ascites.
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Re: Alcohol use since diagnosis

Postby Caat55 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:32 pm

Atoq wrote:I wonder if the study consider quality of alcohol as well, a glass of good red wine is the same as a bad quality one?
What about difference between people in the ability to break down alcohol?
What about the positive effects on heart and blood circulation?

Claudia

I am laughing out loud, why bother with a bad glass of wine. I spend at least a weekend a month in the tasting room and I admit, I am spoiled.

Susan
Do at 55 y.o. Female
Dx 9/26/17 RC Stage 3
Completed 33 rad. tx, xeolda 12/8/17
MRI and PET 1/18 sign. regression
Surgery 1/31/18 Ileostomy, clean margins, no lymph node involved
Port 3/1/2018
Oxaliplatin and Xeloda start 3/22/18
Last Oxaliplatin 7/5/18, 5 rounds
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Re: Alcohol use since diagnosis

Postby Atoq » Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:37 am

Caat55 wrote:
Atoq wrote:I wonder if the study consider quality of alcohol as well, a glass of good red wine is the same as a bad quality one?
What about difference between people in the ability to break down alcohol?
What about the positive effects on heart and blood circulation?

Claudia

I am laughing out loud, why bother with a bad glass of wine. I spend at least a weekend a month in the tasting room and I admit, I am spoiled.

Susan


:lol:

Claudia
1972, 2 kids
Dx rectal cancer 10.2017
T3N2aMX (met left lung 8 mm)
Lynch neg
CEA 1.8
Neoadjuvant chemoradio Xeloda + 25x2 Gy
05.12.17 laparotomic surg. for blockage, colostomy
25.01.18 laparotomic lar, hysterectomy, ileostomy
05.03.18 core needle lung biopsy
07.05.18 CAT scan, lung met 11 mm
04.06.18 ileo reversal
26.06.18 wedge VATS
24.08.18, 31.02.19 CAT scan
12.09.18, 06.02.19 scope, CEA 1.6
19.11.18 scope
20.08.19 CAT, eco
13.09.19 scope, CEA 1.2
18.03.20 CAT, eco, scope, NED
29.11.20 CAT, NED
2023 NED

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Re: Alcohol use since diagnosis

Postby henry123 » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:17 am

Was a social drinker , drinking beer a couple of times every month.

Have stopped completely since diagnosis.
Earlier couldn't, now voluntarily don't.
46yo M msi-high Lynch +ve
5/16 lap AR 14/21 L nodes +ve
T4N2M1
7/16 Capox 9 cyc
9/16 cea 2
1/17 550
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iri+ avast fail
3/17 10577
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9/17 497
10/17 52
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Re: Alcohol use since diagnosis

Postby rp1954 » Fri Apr 06, 2018 1:35 am

1/3 - 1/2 a glass of wine or, of a beer, 1-3x a week
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Re: Alcohol use since diagnosis

Postby Lotus » Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:52 pm

I haven’t had a drink of alcohol for 25 years.....no red meat, no gluten, no refined sugar,limited dairy and fried food consumption....green smoothie very day. Rectal cancer is the last thing I ever thought I’d get. :cry:
female age 74
3/21/18Colonoscopy. Dx "rectal mass" colonic adenocarcinoma
3/22/18 Ct scan no metastatic disease
4/1/18 MRI shows left lateral wall thickening of the rectosigmoid junction originating app 13 cm. from the anal verge. Overall lesion 3.5 cm. No progressive adjacent adenopathy.
Depth T2 no lymph node spread.
Stage 1 t2n0
4/16/18 Robotic LAR
2019 colonoscopy normal
5/21 CEA 1.1, up from .8, .9, <0.5 liver enzymes elevated
7/21 CEA 1.2

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Re: Alcohol use since diagnosis

Postby Tim UK » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:28 am

About a year after my diagnosis I proudly told my (30+ years' experience, professor-level) colorectal consultant that I hadn't had a drink for three months. He looked at me as if I was deranged and spluttered, "Are you quite mad? Why on earth not?".

My only constraint now is absolute avoidance of bad wine.
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Re: Alcohol use since diagnosis

Postby Caat55 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:32 pm

Tim UK wrote:About a year after my diagnosis I proudly told my (30+ years' experience, professor-level) colorectal consultant that I hadn't had a drink for three months. He looked at me as if I was deranged and spluttered, "Are you quite mad? Why on earth not?".

My only constraint now is absolute avoidance of bad wine.



I love the way you think. Can't wait to tolerate something cool, cold or even room temperature.
S
Do at 55 y.o. Female
Dx 9/26/17 RC Stage 3
Completed 33 rad. tx, xeolda 12/8/17
MRI and PET 1/18 sign. regression
Surgery 1/31/18 Ileostomy, clean margins, no lymph node involved
Port 3/1/2018
Oxaliplatin and Xeloda start 3/22/18
Last Oxaliplatin 7/5/18, 5 rounds
CT NED 9/2018
PET NED 12/18
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Re: Alcohol use since diagnosis

Postby lakeswim » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:03 pm

I'm probably not a good source of info as I was just diagnosed, haven't started any chemo or anything yet, but I asked my surgeon this question (also relating to food) and she said to "live your life! drink wine! eat what you want!" Of course, I'm not doing chemo (yet) or anything, have no pain, and feel perfectly normal - so probably not a good resource for this info. (I also believe that what you eat/drink makes a big difference - so I'm not sure I agree to do whatever you want.) A friend of mine who had blood cancer said he drank wine and, in fact, one brand of white wine was the only thing that stopped the splitting headaches he had during chemo.
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Re: Alcohol use since diagnosis

Postby weisssoccermom » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:03 pm

I don't drink but was picqued by the title of this topic because it is so much like other topics about meat, etc.

The ACS states it as HEAVY alcohol consumption.....and I don't think a glass a day, particularly of wine, is what they are talking about. It's the same thing with the whole red meat shakeup. If one reads the entire article and not just the sensational headlines, it's a REPEATED consumption of more than 20 Ounces of red meat/week that increases the risk. Studies didn't show any difference for the person who eats red meat once or twice a week (and the initial studies didn't differentiate between processed meats/red meats).

There are studies which actually show that resveratrol, a compound found in wine, actually inhibits polyp formation. Studies have also shown that, in moderation, red wine is good for one's heart so IMO, drinking a glass or two a few times a week is not only good for your heart but is also likely fine for the rest of your body.

I don't drink at all....not because of colon/rectal cancer (or any other cancers...I just don't like the stuff) but, again, IMO, I don't consider HEAVY alcohol consumption to be what you are talking about.

Just an FYI....I've been clear for 11 years now (last treatment was 4.20.2007) and I have always enjoyed my burgers, steak, etc. a few times a week and will continue to do so. I didn't go through all of that to deprive myself of what I want. Life is too short!
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6 wks rad/Xeloda -finished 9/06
1st attempt transanal excision 11/06
11/17/06 XELOX 1 cycle
5 months Xeloda only Dec '06 - April '07
10+ blood clots, 1 DVT 1/07
transanal excision 4/20/07 path-NO CANCER CELLS!
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Re: Alcohol use since diagnosis

Postby KathyLynn » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:37 am

I love my wine. After surgery I stopped drinking But I’m back to having a glass or two a night. Maybe I should cut back, but I enjoy my wine! I think moderation is the answer. Not sure if two glasses a night is!

KathyLynn
8/2017. RC
11/27/2017. Robotic LAR. No chemo/rad
12/2017 Moderatley differentiated, 3.0 cm in greatest dimension
Macroscopic tumor perf: not identified. All margins of resection and proximal neg for tumor.
Lymphovascular and perineural invasion: not identified.
1/13/2018. T2N0M0 with isolated tumor cell (ITC)
7/2018. CEA 2.0. 10/18: 2.0. 1/19: 2.3 11/19. 2.1
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Re: Alcohol use since diagnosis

Postby margiej » Wed Apr 18, 2018 6:29 am

I had a follow-up oncology appointment last week and specifically asked about alcohol. I didn't have any alcohol from diagnosis through chemo treatment. After chemo was over, my liver numbers were still quite elevated from the chemo, so I didn't have anything to drink until everything was back to normal. I love wine too...especially a good red wine. I drink maybe a glass of wine per week but always feel a tiny bit guilty about it. Th'e doctor assured me that drinking a couple a drinks a week would not be a problem. I just want to keep my immune system strong. I have come to the conclusion that worrying about having a drink is probably more harmful than having a drink, so I'm learning to chill out and just enjoy life.
Dx CC 12/2015, age 57 at Dx
Stage IIIb: T3N1b
Adenocarcinoma, sigmoid colon, 2.5 cm - low grade, moderately differentiated
3/6 positive lymph nodes
laparoscopic colectomy 1/20/2016
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CT-suspicious lymph 2/22/16
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CT 10/17/18 clear
CT 10/17/19 clear
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5/16 3.8
7/16 1.9
3/17 1.3
10/17 1.2
4/18 1.6
11/18 1.2


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