mhf1986 wrote:DH hopes to go on Xeloda next week, wish he could have back in June when he discontinued the OX. If the CT scan shows nothing major on Monday, then it's maintenance Xeloda for as long as he can. Dr. did not give an option about the Avastin, he's getting it every 3 weeks. If there is some growth, I expect OX to be added back with the Xeloda. I guess that's known as CAPOX? Insurance company has approved Xeloda so we are just hanging out waiting for the scan now.
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rp1954 wrote:That's a conventional Xeloda maintenance plan.
Wife uses continuous daily chemo with extra adjuncts like celebrex and heavy duty supplements, slowly changed until the various markers improve. We have picked off several scanned objects each in the peritoneum, liver and lungs at different times with changing off label extras guided by lab work. We track some extra markers beyond CEA. We improve formulation based on bloodwork and pound on any markers that rise.
Markers recede and lesions seem to shrink, breakup, dissolve or petrify in distinct eras or episodes, following chemistry changes. With some variation in the mild off label drugs and heavy duty supplements over time, we have managed to keep the 5FU chemo portion active for well over 7 years with a few, mild side effects.
Faithandpeace wrote:rp1954 wrote:That's a conventional Xeloda maintenance plan.
Wife uses continuous daily chemo with extra adjuncts like celebrex and heavy duty supplements, slowly changed until the various markers improve. We have picked off several scanned objects each in the peritoneum, liver and lungs at different times with changing off label extras guided by lab work. We track some extra markers beyond CEA. We improve formulation based on bloodwork and pound on any markers that rise.
Markers recede and lesions seem to shrink, breakup, dissolve or petrify in distinct eras or episodes, following chemistry changes. With some variation in the mild off label drugs and heavy duty supplements over time, we have managed to keep the 5FU chemo portion active for well over 7 years with a few, mild side effects.
How I wish I could sit down with you, rp1954, and pick your brain! My gut tells me your approach is the right approach for us. I just don't know how you know which supplements and off-label drugs to use and what dosage. I've been combing the Life Extension website for a few months and right now I have him on Vit D3, Vit E, magnesium ascorbate, glutamine, curcumin, folic acid, Vit B6 and Tagamet. I'd like to add modified citrus pectin, aspirin and Celebrex but he's on enoxiparin because of blood clots (so aspirin is questionable) and I'm worried about the cardiac side effects of the Celebrex. Our onc is very dismissive of anything other than the treatment she prescribes so she's not going to order the extra blood work or prescribe off-label drugs at our request or help us figure out dosages, etc.
Do you have a doctor that helps you with all this? If so, where can I find such a doctor? I'm not willing to go the total naturopath route because I believe he needs some chemo.
Anyone know of such a doctor in Southern California?
NHMike wrote:Faithandpeace wrote:rp1954 wrote:That's a conventional Xeloda maintenance plan.
Wife uses continuous daily chemo with extra adjuncts like celebrex and heavy duty supplements, slowly changed until the various markers improve. We have picked off several scanned objects each in the peritoneum, liver and lungs at different times with changing off label extras guided by lab work. We track some extra markers beyond CEA. We improve formulation based on bloodwork and pound on any markers that rise.
Markers recede and lesions seem to shrink, breakup, dissolve or petrify in distinct eras or episodes, following chemistry changes. With some variation in the mild off label drugs and heavy duty supplements over time, we have managed to keep the 5FU chemo portion active for well over 7 years with a few, mild side effects.
How I wish I could sit down with you, rp1954, and pick your brain! My gut tells me your approach is the right approach for us. I just don't know how you know which supplements and off-label drugs to use and what dosage. I've been combing the Life Extension website for a few months and right now I have him on Vit D3, Vit E, magnesium ascorbate, glutamine, curcumin, folic acid, Vit B6 and Tagamet. I'd like to add modified citrus pectin, aspirin and Celebrex but he's on enoxiparin because of blood clots (so aspirin is questionable) and I'm worried about the cardiac side effects of the Celebrex. Our onc is very dismissive of anything other than the treatment she prescribes so she's not going to order the extra blood work or prescribe off-label drugs at our request or help us figure out dosages, etc.
Do you have a doctor that helps you with all this? If so, where can I find such a doctor? I'm not willing to go the total naturopath route because I believe he needs some chemo.
Anyone know of such a doctor in Southern California?
I don't know anyone in California but know two in Massachusetts. One is at Dana Farber and he was referred to my by my radiation nurse and it turns out that my oncologist interned with him (if that's the proper term). I think that the guy is an oncologist but does a lot of lab stuff as well. The other guy was referred to by my sister. She has two friends that are Stage 4 but doing fairly well with the help of this guy. He has had cancer himself and is a doctor but specializes in the nutritional aspects of cancer treatment and he's in Lexington MA.
Faithandpeace wrote:
Thank you, NHMike. I would love to have those two names from you. It's definitely a place to start and, who knows, maybe one of them will know of a similar doctor out here in the west or maybe we'd be able to consult with him a few times, etc.
Faithandpeace wrote: I just don't know how you know which supplements and off-label drugs to use and what dosage. I've been combing the Life Extension website for a few months and right now I have him on Vit D3, Vit E, magnesium ascorbate, glutamine, curcumin, folic acid, Vit B6 and Tagamet. I'd like to add modified citrus pectin, aspirin and Celebrex but he's on enoxiparin because of blood clots (so aspirin is questionable) and I'm worried about the cardiac side effects of the Celebrex.
Our onc is very dismissive of anything other than the treatment she prescribes so she's not going to order the extra blood work or prescribe off-label drugs at our request or help us figure out dosages, etc.
where can I find such a doctor? I'm not willing to go the total naturopath route because I believe he needs some chemo.
Faithandpeace wrote:I'm not willing to go the total naturopath route because I believe he needs some chemo.
mariane wrote:Dear LifeandPeace,
I am a stage 4 cancer patient of Dr. Kemeny from MSKCC in NY. Have ever consider to consult her? I met many of her new patients and their disease often involved more than just liver. She is the "liver mets whisperer". Even without HAI pump usage , she has the greatest experience in treating colon cancer especially with multiple liver mets. Lung mets usually grow much slower.
Your husband responded well to chemo which is fantastic.
I had good results with FOLFIRINOX. I supported myself with curcumin, tones of green tea and cimetidine.
Aspirin and curcumin increase LDH. I saw it very clearly, especially post chemo with my sensitive organism. Dr. K did not recommend me curcumin. Each patient is different. Hard to find the best way.
I crossed the ocean to see Dr. K and it was the best decision in my life.
Good Luck!
zephyr wrote:Faithandpeace wrote:I'm not willing to go the total naturopath route because I believe he needs some chemo.
I started seeing a naturopath whose practice focuses on oncology. She never, ever suggested that I give up chemo; to the contrary, her recommendations were all clearly in addition to chemo and worked around my chemo schedule. Her primary goal was to help me with the side effects of the chemo which were on the edge of the intolerable cliff. My oncologist was supportive of this move and even helped me find a reputable resource where I could do research if I had questions about herbs and supplements, the science behind them, and how well they played with cancer and chemo.
It's only been about two weeks but my experience has been nothing short of remarkable. I haven't had energy levels like this since before the cancer, my gastrointestinal issues are more controllable and tolerable, and I just plain feel better. A lot better. I think it's an individual thing and this is just my experience. The downside is that my insurance covers almost none of the expense and it's pricey, but my quality of life is so much better that we have decided to continue as long as we can or until the treatments stop working or until the cancer is gone, whichever first occurs.
I hope this helps.
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