O/T They Say Things Come In Threes...Update #3/Photo Shoot of My Furbaby Chloe

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Re: O/T They Say Things Come In Threes...Update #3/Photo Shoot of My Furbaby Chloe

Postby MissMolly » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:36 pm

Peanut:
Your little Fonzie is becoming an adolescent. Gotta love the puppy years.

Orjen is a fabulous kibble. You cannot go wrong with Orjen.

I highly recommend the Fromm line of kibble. It is a 4 Star brand, sourced in Wisconsin. Molly loves the lamb and red lentil kibble formula. It also has the smallest kibble size that I have been able to research - good for our pups with small mouths. The nutritional profile of the from Fromm products is impressive. And absolutely no by products or colorings or wheat or hormones or added chemicals of any kind. Good nutrition for the life of your pet.

I have home cooked Molly’s meals since puppyhood. She actually loves it when I offer her raw meat slices (farm raised from Whole Foods). Being a 5 pound dog, it is actually cost effective to cook her homemade meals. She enjoys broccoli florets, diced carrot, summer squash, blueberries, skinned apple, and watermelon. Her eyes light up like a Christmas tree when the raw slices are presented. Even small lap dogs have a carnal dog within them. The call of the wild.

Would love to see a picture of Fonzie as he is growing up.

I am at day 4 with an NG tube and bowel rest. I am not keen on surgery due to my compromised health so will hold course with the NG tube and bowel rest as the preferred option for me. This is my 3 rd small bowel obstruction in the last 5 months. The NG tube is becoming an all too familiar ritual.

But we carry on, each as we all do.

Take care and tail wags,
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Re: O/T They Say Things Come In Threes...Update #3/Photo Shoot of My Furbaby Chloe

Postby susie0915 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 8:48 pm

MissMolly wrote:Peanut:
Your little Fonzie is becoming an adolescent. Gotta love the puppy years.

Orjen is a fabulous kibble. You cannot go wrong with Orjen.

I highly recommend the Fromm line of kibble. It is a 4 Star brand, sourced in Wisconsin. Molly loves the lamb and red lentil kibble formula. It also has the smallest kibble size that I have been able to research - good for our pups with small mouths. The nutritional profile of the from Fromm products is impressive. And absolutely no by products or colorings or wheat or hormones or added chemicals of any kind. Good nutrition for the life of your pet.

I have home cooked Molly’s meals since puppyhood. She actually loves it when I offer her raw meat slices (farm raised from Whole Foods). Being a 5 pound dog, it is actually cost effective to cook her homemade meals. She enjoys broccoli florets, diced carrot, summer squash, blueberries, skinned apple, and watermelon. Her eyes light up like a Christmas tree when the raw slices are presented. Even small lap dogs have a carnal dog within them. The call of the wild.

Would love to see a picture of Fonzie as he is growing up.

I am at day 4 with an NG tube and bowel rest. I am not keen on surgery due to my compromised health so will hold course with the NG tube and bowel rest as the preferred option for me. This is my 3 rd small bowel obstruction in the last 5 months. The NG tube is becoming an all too familiar ritual.

But we carry on, each as we all do.

Take care and tail wags,
Karen

So sorry you have a bowel obstruction. I had one 4 weeks after my resection. I was in the hospital for 3 1/2 weeks. I had the ng tube for over a week before finally having surgery. Are you getting nutrition or just on liquids? That was an awful experience. Your 3rd in the last 5 months, did the others resolve on their own? I'm praying you get relief soon. You seem to be handling it well.
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Re: O/T They Say Things Come In Threes...Update #3/Photo Shoot of My Furbaby Chloe

Postby bitchslapped » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:26 pm

Karen, Wish there was something you could do @ home. Are docs providing any home recommendations that can possibly avoid these repeated hospital visits/NG tube? Sounds miserable. How about a "Whaddaya doin all the way up in that bed" & "I'll take some of that too" pic of Miss Chloe? Have you gotten to talk to Miss Molly on the phone? ruff ruff
Hope you can go home soon & be reunited w/your little princess.

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peanut, I don't even know where to start on dog food. At 14, Chloe has been on many different kinds of kibble, but not raw diet. I personally draw the line on that one for several reasons, none of which have to do w/the health of the dog (other than what I now know about bones). Maybe raw bones different, IDK. CRguy may have an opinion since he is little bit Eastern, little bit Western (not to be confused w/AC/DC) :shock: :mrgreen:

I started Chloe out on Nutro, then a few years later...maybe about the time she was getting her teeth cleaned her vet recommended Royal Canin Veterinary Diet (prescription) for teeth, probably b/c she is a Doxie. Larger kibble, the theory being, when it breaks up it tends to scrape the dog's teeth. We have stuck w/Royal Canin probably b/c that's is the brand they carry & apparently like for whatever reason. Recently I ran into a huge problem w/Royal Canin fish & potato kibble. The vet's office couldn't get it ordered; out of stock @ mfg & no eta! I had to find a pet store that carried it (PetSmart), then have them get RX from the doc so they could sell it to me. It had to be a store that had a pet hospital in-store. It was a scramble b/c I was running low, but 2 wks before I learned it was a problem.

Later Chloe stopped eating the dental diet kibble & the vet wanted her on the urinary diet anyway due to creatine levels in bloodwork slightly elevated. Then in 2011 @ age 8 & subsequent to her gallbladder removal surgery, dx of IBD, autoimmune disease + e-coli, enterococcus bacterial infections in her innards discovered during surgery, the specialist thought urinary diet too high in calories & Chloe needed to be on food-sensitivity diet. So she wanted Chloe on white fish & white potato diet that she has been on ever since...also Royal Canin. Chloe wasn't eating after this major surgery & also when she actually stopped chewing kibble @ all. Due to this switch & being the desert rat (not a water drinker) that she is, I began heating water in w/her kibble in the nuker to make a broth + I now knew how much water she was getting a day. She didn't like dry kibble & was only drinking about 2-3 oz of water daily. Therefore, I needed to increase feedings, (adjust serving size) 3x/day + added canned pumpkin (no spices) @ 2nd feeding to provide some natural fiber + added moisture to assist in elimination. She loves it. So now I knew she was getting min of 9 to 12 oz of fluid per day + it has increased her intake @ the water bowel all on her own.

Then Chloe was losing her hair, most noticeably on her floppy ears not too long post surgery (maybe a few months or so). After mentioning this to her vet a few times over the next several months, I then insisted this be seriously addressed. She recommended Royal Canin Skin Support mixed 1/2 into her fish & potato diet. I kid you not, within 5 days her hair was flourishing. Hard to believe, I know. So that's where we are today. Not the greatest pic of her coat, but it is nice, shiny & as you can see plenty of hair on those floppy ears. It also grew that "grassy knoll" on top of her head. No spritzer needed. :lol: Sometimes I wonder if she doesn't need the skin support food anymore, but coat is still nice & no dandruff so maybe just leave well enough alone @ this point.

The last few years I occasionally given Chloe bits of carrot, frozen blueberries (won't eat them soft), sweet potato, broccoli, added strawberry, watermelon, cantelope, bananna this year...all very small taste. I look it up on the internet on @ least 2 sites to make sure dogs can have it. I just wanted her to "live a little", stimulate those taste buds a bit. She gets regular doggie treats & very occasionally I give a rounded tsp of canned dog food to surprise her taste buds. Not to say I haven't ever given her a taste of raw burger here & there, I tend not to do that anymore. If I threw a whole raw chicken @ her, she would probably go to town & eat the whole thing. No bones for us...no more broken teeth, no chicken or turkey bones to get stuck in the throat. My understanding is that is a no-no.

So the question is what is the healthiest diet for dogs? I'm a bad person to ask. :roll: Though Chloe is not a frequent licker nor a slobberer (making up my own words again)...for me there will be no raw, e-coli laced wet-nose kisses on a regular basis or extra shopping/cooking unless special circumstances exist. :mrgreen: I'm sure once one gets the hang of it w/raw diet in correct combinations for proper nutrients, it becomes automatic.
Given the fact that it is recommended to make changes in a dog's diet gradually, I would suggest whatever you do @ home, you can also carryout on the road for sake of consistency, thus avoiding gastro problems. So would you mix her diet half & half daily a.m. vs p.m. feeding or choose certain days for raw vs ready made?

Whatever you decide, my understanding w/bulldogs is they tend to have heart/pulmonary issues (flat- nose dogs vs nosey ones like Chloe) so good oral hygiene w/b important. Maybe the single best thing you can do & weight control. So kudos for you on asking early on that issue.
Chloe has had so many health issues. Is it due to poor breeding, poor diet...I can't answer.

Good Luck!

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Re: O/T They Say Things Come In Threes...Update #3/Photo Shoot of My Furbaby Chloe

Postby peanut_8 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:10 pm

Many thanks again for the kibble info. I'm amazed and in awe of how well your babies are taken care of. BS, that last pic of Miss Chloe reminds me of Rita Hayworth ion Gilda. Such a pretty girl.

Karen, I'm hoping against hope that your situation improves and you can get rid of the NG tube. Miss Molly needs her Mom back.

Fonzie is quickly approaching the 6 month mark. (Nov 19th). I'm planning on finishing up his last bag of Fromm gold puppy chow, and the switch to an adult brand. His vet recommended Orijen, and is a huge fan of raw diets. Apparently uncooked bones don't splinter like cooked ones. I'm considering getting a grinding attachment for my Kitchenaid mixer and making my own raw. Fonzie's breeder recommended that direction so you can be sure of getting quality ingredients. I've ordered a raw dog recipe book from Amazon, and will see how it goes. He is already a good eater, sometimes referred to as a chunk. Frenchies can be prone to allergies so well probably go with a single protein source.

He loves college football and Heidi Klum. When Heidi isn't on Project Runway he refuses to watch, butt when she is he is enthralled. :roll:

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Re: O/T They Say Things Come In Threes...Update #3/Photo Shoot of My Furbaby Chloe

Postby bitchslapped » Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:35 pm

Hmmm, I see the resemblance now. :lol: However, Chloe will have Fonzie know she is no pin-up girl. Watch out for that little Romeo, Fonzie, already lookin @ the girls. He better be fixed.


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peanut_8 wrote:Apparently uncooked bones don't splinter like cooked ones. I'm considering getting a grinding attachment for my Kitchenaid mixer and making my own raw.


Yes, word was out a long time ago around the forum that peanut was a real "bone grinder". :mrgreen: :shock: :lol: :mrgreen: :oops: :o

Chloe is supposed to be on single-source protein w/the fish & potato, but then her hair started falling out, so whaddaya do?

Seriously though, I'm a caregiver since taking in my DM, then DH dx'd a year later. Somewhere in between I got Chloe as a companion dog to bring activity in the house for my DM. Had no idea of what I may be getting into. DH was the one she was crazy about. I already had my hands full w/care of DM, special diet when I brought Chloe home. Hubby told me not to get a purebred; get a mut, male, larger dog. That's not what happened exactly (ruhroh), but those two were inseparable. I just went into a pet store & asked for a companion dog & they brought out Chloe. She seemed cute & a little lost so I said ok. A year later DH dx'd w/mCRC. Chloe didn't start having problems till 6 mos after my DM passed (2.5 yrs after DH) when Chloe was about 7 1/2 yrs. Nothing but problems since.
So I guess b/c of experience it is natural w/me + ya gotta do what ya gotta do. Regardless, every 2 yrs something major goes on w/Little Miss Chloe & I don't see that changing the older she gets.
That's why I say she is my first & probably my last. However so long as she is here she is The Princess in this house. Everybody knows that! :D Wherever I go, so goes Chloe.
She stole my heart a long time ago.

You & Hubby are now under new Management! :lol:

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Postby peanut_8 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:21 pm

Fonz has a celebrity look-a -like too.

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Postby peanut_8 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:24 pm

BS, love hearing about how Chloe and your DH were inseparable. She looks like a marvelous companion.
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Postby peanut_8 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:26 pm

This is my favorite pic of Fonz and DH. They're pretty good pals.

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Re: O/T They Say Things Come In Threes...Update #3/Photo Shoot of My Furbaby Chloe

Postby CRguy » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:47 pm

bitchslapped wrote: CRguy may have an opinion since he is little bit Eastern, little bit Western (not to be confused w/AC/DC)

ALTHO'
sometimes feel Thunderstruck .... like I've been on a Highway to Hell when trying to discuss things with the "raw food" crowd :shock:

since this topic has moved on to more important posts like celeb lookalikes :mrgreen:
I will only say : some critters do ok to well on some raw food sources
BUTT have also seen issues so, just 'cos it's raw ... does not mean = always better

IME ... JMO... 'nuff said :twisted:

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Postby CRguy » Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:20 pm

peanut_8 wrote:Apparently uncooked bones don't splinter like cooked ones.

Ummmmmmm ..... :shock: :shock: :shock:
every time I scrub into an orthopedic surgery I AM dealing with an "uncooked bone" which in fact HAS splintered / cracked/ chipped / fractured or otherwise discombobulated in some fashion ...

YMMV ... BUTT sista' nut ... I would always tell owners :
" millions of dogs may have been eating millions of bones for millions of years.....BUTT
THEY are not the ones I SEE in my surgery with GIT perforations / lacerations and peritonitis.
If they have problems they would die in the wild and I am positive you would not want your pet to go through that ? "

AND ... as for chewing and crunching bones ...
I once pulled a huge "knuckle bone" out of the throat of a pitt bull. NOW if there is any breed of dog who has the masseters to crunch a bone it IS the pittie

problem was, the owner listened to "they" who said give them bones large enough that they cannot swallow and just let them gnaw at it.
fine in theory.

Dog arrived just after closing, I was still in hosp doing a locum.
Teenage boy ( ~15 ) in tears, carrying the dog in his arms, saying his dog was dying

he was choking ... on a BIG effing knuckle bone wedged very tightly past his tonsils
he was struggling to try to breathe but couldn't
we had no time for sedation and considering he was a pittie :shock: I was not too keen on throwing my hands down past his carnassials
SO I opened a whole drawer of forceps and bone rongeurs / clamps until I found one which would actually bite into the RAW EFFING BONE :twisted:

AND .. I was able to gently guide it back out the way in which it entered
when the techs saw it, they and I could not believe this sized dog got THAT SIZED bone into his mouth let alone down his gullet

What happened next, for ME was an epic moment in being a vet.

as soon as the bone was out we put him on an oxygen mask and gave him some dexamethasone as anti-inflammatory so his throat would not swell shut from trauma while he continued trying to breathe, then he figured out he could and did ... got some oxygen into him and THEN

he lifted his head slightly, rolled his eyes up to look at me, still flat on his side ... AND thump
thump thump thump

.... he wagged his tail at us.
I will NEVER forget that moment as long as I live

THAT my friends is my most epic comment on the whole raw bone thing
take from it what you will

The pittie did fine with his recovery. Actually a really neat dog ... BUTT then I am a vet and I loves me furbuddies,
and I love pitties !!!!!!
(( just that we should consider getting rid of a few pittie owners :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: including the teen's old man who was a F&*#ING ASSHOLE...
which I won't go into here... 'cos the kid hugged me and the dog kept wagging his tail !!!! ))

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Postby peanut_8 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:22 pm

It's really a shame that all dog owners aren't as conscientious as BS and Karen are.

Thanks for the raw diet comments CRGuy. Sometimes you just don't know who to believe, butt you've been there, and done that, so your advice is important.

:) :) :)
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Postby bitchslapped » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:46 pm

That's funny peanut! Good celeb look alike. Won't be long before Fonzie is too big for Daddy's lap :) Sure cute pic of him in jail w/the striped shirt! Little convict already.

Appreciate the kudos on Chloe care though I fall short sometimes. We can make pet care as big a job as we want to. The thing I kept in mind is that unlike kids, they remain dependent, take more care that increases w/age. Agree Karen does a wonderful job & Mini Miss Molly fortunate to have a loving mom & home. No question Little Fonzie hit the jackpot w/you & DH.
If you do go raw diet I hope you can pulverize any bones w/the attachment or find another source of calcium.

That is an awful story, CRguy, yet a heartwarming story about a boy & his dog. He will never forget the day you saved him.

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Postby peanut_8 » Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:29 pm

DH is out of town for a few days, so I thought what a perfect time for Fonzie to try sleeping on the bed for the first time. Well, I like a little fresh air when sleeping so I left the window open. Apparently Fonz got a little chilly and decided to creep under the covers. Eventually he ended up with his head on my pillow licking my ear. Not a lot of sleeping went on last night.

Anyway, while I was laying there deciding what to do with the lead weight next to me, I was thinking about how lucky that pit bull was to have CRGuy pry the bone out of his throat, and how appreciative he was. Tail thumping is the best.

Thanks for all the advice on the raw diet everyone. It's very popular here on the CA central coast. There's even a store dedicated to raw dog food. Since I tend to err on the side of laziness, I think I'll just gradually switch Fonz over to dry adult kibble, and see how he does. He's really soft and whiney now (meant to type shiney butt autocorrect intervened, anyway appropriate).

Karen, if you get the chance, let us know how you're doing. Thinking of you and wishing for the best.

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The outfit in the jailbird pic is 2/3 of his Halloween costume. Missing only the straw hat. He was a gondolier. eccezionale
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Re: O/T They Say Things Come In Threes...Update #3/Photo Shoot of My Furbaby Chloe

Postby bitchslapped » Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:03 pm

How about Miss Molly...I'm getting a Sandra Dee vibe. Mom, whadda ya think?


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bitchslapped wrote:We can make pet care as big a job as we want to.


Hey peanut, I knew that one would get you :lol: But it really is true.

peanut_8 wrote:Since I tend to err on the side of laziness, I think I'll just gradually switch Fonz over to dry adult kibble, and see how he does.


Girl after my own heart on that one! :mrgreen:

We can make it a lot of work (which it is a fair amount of care taking) or actually spend some time enjoying our pets. I'd rather take 'em for a walk in the park or neighborhood where both benefit. Everything is a trade off for sure, but the less time I have to spend in the grocery store & the kitchen @ my stage in the game, the better.

Again, in our house, if I can't bend it, Chloe isn't getting it. Can you imagine starting on a raw diet & then trying to wean them off for kibble after you got tired of it? Chloe would probably starve herself to death.
Imagining Fonzie as a gondolier cracks me up. Chloe would never let me do any of that fun stuff. No sense of humor, that girl.



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Re: O/T They Say Things Come In Threes...Update #3/Photo Shoot of My Furbaby Chloe

Postby peanut_8 » Sun Nov 12, 2017 2:14 pm

That's funny, BS, I was thinking Miss Molly had a Sandra Dee thing going on as well.

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