Would a transverse tumor/polyp/cancer cause fresh bleeding?

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Lemoncake
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Would a transverse tumor/polyp/cancer cause fresh bleeding?

Postby Lemoncake » Thu Jun 08, 2017 10:03 am

Or is this more sigmoid/rectum?

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Re: Would a transverse tumor/polyp/cancer cause fresh bleeding?

Postby mpbser » Thu Jun 08, 2017 1:02 pm

I'm not sure about one compared to the other but my husband's tumor was located at the transverse-descending junction and it caused bleeding. It was primarily occult but he did have visible blood in stool occasionally.
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Lemoncake
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Re: Would a transverse tumor/polyp/cancer cause fresh bleeding?

Postby Lemoncake » Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:02 pm

mpbser wrote:I'm not sure about one compared to the other but my husband's tumor was located at the transverse-descending junction and it caused bleeding. It was primarily occult but he did have visible blood in stool occasionally.


Like fresh, red blood? My mom's tumor is in transverse but not sure its the cause of fresh red bleeding (like hemorrhoids).

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Re: Would a transverse tumor/polyp/cancer cause fresh bleeding?

Postby Lee » Thu Jun 08, 2017 3:38 pm

Lemoncake wrote:Like fresh, red blood? My mom's tumor is in transverse but not sure its the cause of fresh red bleeding (like hemorrhoids).


Fresh red blood is usually from the rectum or near it. And yes, it can come from bleeding hemorrhoids. Further up the colon if there is bleeding usually turns the stool a very dark color.

Does your mom have colon cancer? I believe at one you were concerned for yourself? If you could add a signature line, it would help the rest of us understand what's going on.

Good luck,

Lee
rectal cancer - April 2004
46 yrs old at diagnoses
stage III C - 6/13 lymph positive
radiation - 6 weeks
surgery - August 2004/hernia repair 2014
permanent colostomy
chemo - FOLFOX
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Re: Would a transverse tumor/polyp/cancer cause fresh bleeding?

Postby Steph20021 » Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:12 pm

Personally I had a tumour in my transverse and one in my sigmoid at diagnosis, and never had any bleeding...sorry, this probably wasn't very helpful. Maybe it's hemmoroids or closer to the rectum as mentioned above.
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Re: Would a transverse tumor/polyp/cancer cause fresh bleeding?

Postby Hannah Faulkner » Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:08 am

It confusing to say what caused it but its not tumour. Might be the rectum or near area from hemmoroids causing the issue.

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Re: Would a transverse tumor/polyp/cancer cause fresh bleeding?

Postby mpbser » Fri Jun 09, 2017 2:39 pm

"Fresh red blood is usually from the rectum or near it. And yes, it can come from bleeding hemorrhoids. Further up the colon if there is bleeding usually turns the stool a very dark color."

This is correct. However, there were two times in the past couple of years that my husband had visible blood in his stool. One time it was a very dark color, and the other time he thought looked like the same kind of bleeding he had a few years back when he had a hemorrhoid, i.e. was more fresh in appearance.
Wife 4/17 Dx age 45
5/17 LAR
Adenocarcinoma
low grade
1st primary T3 N2b M1a
Stage IVA
8/17 Sub-total colectomy
2nd primary 5.5 cm T1 N0
9 of 96 nodes
CEA: < 2.9
MSS
Lynch no; KRAS wild
Immunohistochemsistry Normal
Fall 2017 FOLFOX shrank the 1 met in liver
1/18 Liver left hepatectomy seg 4
5/18 CT clear
12/18 MRI 1 liver met
3/7/19 Resection & HAI
4/1/19 Folfiri & FUDR
5/13/19 HAI pump catheter dislodge, nearly bled to death
6-7 '19 5FU 4 cycles
NED

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Re: Would a transverse tumor/polyp/cancer cause fresh bleeding?

Postby LeonW » Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:18 am

Lemoncake (May 16, 2017) wrote:Do I need another colonoscopy? I am just so lost. Every time I see blood I freak out.

Lemoncake (May 16, 2017) wrote: I still have fresh blood, in small amounts . . .I am trying to save up for another colonoscopy but they're very expensive. I just feel lost.

Lemoncake (May 18, 2017) wrote: . . . need help for my aunt. She was diagnosed with cancer in the beginning of her transverse colon . . . What were your symptoms?

Lemoncake (June 08, 2017) wrote:Would a transverse tumor/polyp/cancer cause fresh bleeding? Or is this more sigmoid/rectum?

My take on this is that there often are hardly any signs that indicate a presence of colon cancer. And although blood in stool is suspect, it is also easily caused by hemorrhoids or fissures. Moreover, when it is from anything further up in the colon, it is hardly visible. And although a lab test may better indicate any presence of blood, a colonoscopy is still needed to be conclusive. The most common advise that you'll find here, also will say to have a colonoscopy (and to stay off Google).

You already had one (and a sigmoidoscopy too) when you were worried in 2015, you said, and results were normal.
As you can see from my signature I had one at my request in 2015 too. In May (2017), my docs agreed with having a next one not earlier than 3-yrs later / in 2018. That was at my request with my history of advanced (stage IV) cancer.

I'd say: Relax; try to stop worrying.
And possibly work on your stool: eat fibers / make sure you drink enough.

Best wishes
Leon
Dec 2012 - CC 2 unresect liver mets, CEA 41.8 (MM 65yrs)
Jan 2013 - colectomy @ spleen 2/26 nodes IVa T3N1bM1a
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Re: Would a transverse tumor/polyp/cancer cause fresh bleeding?

Postby jhocno197 » Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:53 pm

Red blood can be from.anywhere in the colon, so it could be from the tumor.
DH - dx Dec 2014, stage IV with bladder & peritoneal involvement - non-resectable
Colostomy
FOLFOX failed
FOLFIRI failed
Tumor actually distending pelvic skin
Not a candidate for last-ditch pelvic exenteration
Stivarga finally begun 2/19/16
Tumor growing/fungating
Lonsurf started 11/18/16
Died 3/10/17

Lee
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Re: Would a transverse tumor/polyp/cancer cause fresh bleeding?

Postby Lee » Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:32 pm

LeonW wrote:
Lemoncake (May 16, 2017) wrote:Do I need another colonoscopy? I am just so lost. Every time I see blood I freak out.

Lemoncake (May 16, 2017) wrote: I still have fresh blood, in small amounts . . .I am trying to save up for another colonoscopy but they're very expensive. I just feel lost.

Lemoncake (May 18, 2017) wrote: . . . need help for my aunt. She was diagnosed with cancer in the beginning of her transverse colon . . . What were your symptoms?

Lemoncake (June 08, 2017) wrote:Would a transverse tumor/polyp/cancer cause fresh bleeding? Or is this more sigmoid/rectum?

My take on this is that there often are hardly any signs that indicate a presence of colon cancer. And although blood in stool is suspect, it is also easily caused by hemorrhoids or fissures. Moreover, when it is from anything further up in the colon, it is hardly visible. And although a lab test may better indicate any presence of blood, a colonoscopy is still needed to be conclusive. The most common advise that you'll find here, also will say to have a colonoscopy (and to stay off Google).

You already had one (and a sigmoidoscopy too) when you were worried in 2015, you said, and results were normal.
As you can see from my signature I had one at my request in 2015 too. In May (2017), my docs agreed with having a next one not earlier than 3-yrs later / in 2018. That was at my request with my history of advanced (stage IV) cancer.

I'd say: Relax; try to stop worrying.
And possibly work on your stool: eat fibers / make sure you drink enough.

Best wishes
Leon


Yes to what Leon said. Thank you, Leon, I believe Mom and Aunt are probably the same person, was confused for a bit there. Anyway, Lemoncake, I believe Leon said it best here.

All the best to you,

Lee
rectal cancer - April 2004
46 yrs old at diagnoses
stage III C - 6/13 lymph positive
radiation - 6 weeks
surgery - August 2004/hernia repair 2014
permanent colostomy
chemo - FOLFOX
NED - 16 years and counting!


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