Reduce scarring

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Swirdfish
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Reduce scarring

Postby Swirdfish » Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:50 am

Hi all,

Well i got discharged after 4 weeks yes it's been long, but when I discharged my 2 yr old got admitted.. influenza or meningococcal. Won't find out until tomorrow. Damn just need a break..

Anyway what have people used on their recent surgeries to reduce scarring?? I'm using rose hip oil.

Anyone know of anything better?
06/2016 Went in for colonoscopy came out with a tumor. Age 35
12cm from verge at junction. Rectal cancer.
Clinical stage T3 NO MO
Temp illestomy
Completed 5FU and Radiation
LAR surgery planned 13 Oct 2016
Completed ULAR surgery 11-10-2016.
0/22 nodes
pT3 N0 M0 R1
Stage 2A

Pathology reviewed and changed
ypT3 N0 M0 R0

Started folfox 21-11-2016
5-4-17 NED
Reversal 12-4-17

DarknessEmbraced
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Re: Reduce scarring

Postby DarknessEmbraced » Sun Nov 06, 2016 12:18 pm

I hope that your 2 year old feels better soon!*hugs*
Diagnosed 10/28/14, age 36
Colon Resection 11/20/14, LAR (no illeo)
Stage 2a colon cancer, T3NOMO
Lymph-vascular invasion undetermined
0/22 lymph nodes
No chemo, no radiation
Clear Colonoscopy 04/29/15
NED 10/20/15
Ischemic Colitis 01/21/16
NED 11/10/16
CT Scan moved up due to high CEA 08/21/17
NED 09/25/17
NED 12/21/18
Clear colonoscopy 09/23/19
Clear 5 year scans 11/21/19- Considered cured! :)

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BeansMama
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Re: Reduce scarring

Postby BeansMama » Sun Nov 06, 2016 1:11 pm

I hope your 2 year old is better soon, I will send extra prayers your way.

Cocoa butter is good for scarring.
41 yrs old
Tumor found 9/2015
Surgery 1 - 11/2015 LAR and colostomy
Surgery 2 - 11/2015 wound vac
Surgery 3 - 12/2015 revise resection, move colostomy
Mets to liver - tumor inoperable - one add'l met destroyed
Stage IVa (T3 N2a M1a)
Primary tumor 9 cm x 7.5 cm x 2 cm
Beginning Folfox 1/2016 - Failed
Beginning Folfiri and vectibix 8/2016 — Failed
Beginning Folfirinox + Avastin 11/2016 - Failed
Beginning Keytruda 1/2017
CEA drop from 345 to 7.3 after starting immunotherapy
Lynch positive 3/2016

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CRguy
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Re: Reduce scarring

Postby CRguy » Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:04 pm

Here's an older topic which adds some info for you.
I used the Bio-Oil I mentioned in the topic

tips for reducing scarring?

sending MEGA BEST wishes for the little one
always scary when they get sick

CRguy
Caregiver x 4
Stage IV A rectal cancer/lung met
13 Year survivor
my life is an ongoing totally randomized UNcontrolled experiment with N=1 !
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Cowgirl918
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Re: Reduce scarring

Postby Cowgirl918 » Sun Nov 06, 2016 7:17 pm

Ask your doc but I bought the Derm tape and cream.
Can't think of name but will try to find it. Pharmacist will know. The main culprit is stretching it and too much activity which increases adhesions. Depending on surgery site you may want an abdominal binder.
Good luck. I hope your little one is well soon. Way to much to handle .
HX Colon Polyps Villious and Tubillovillous
12/29/15 Colonoscopy/Endoscopy - Ascending Colon Mass- Hemicolectomy Scheduled
1/17/2016 Right Hemicolectomy Cancelled
1/25/2016 CT No evidence of other disease
2/12/2016 EMR-ascending colon mass 80% removed
5/29/2016 Compressed lumbar spinal fracture (riding accident)
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chemo sabe
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Re: Reduce scarring

Postby chemo sabe » Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:57 pm

first I will say that I am a black and white person. My responses do not sit well with everyone but I have never believed in sugar-coating the truth. I certainly appreciate and understand where your question is coming from and I wish I had a potion for you. The truth is that while you may be able to reduce the scarring from the surgery but the hole from the ileostomy is not going away - ever. After you get your takedown surgery, the site of your ostomy is considered a "dirty wound" and is not sutured back together. It is left to close and heal on its own. It will always be there. Please understand that I am not trying to hurt your feelings, I am just trying to help you set your expectation. I look at that spot on my body and I am reminded of how lucky I have been. I am hoping the very best for you.
64 year old male
Diagnosed Stage 3 Rectal Cancer - T3N1M0 - Oct 2011
28 radiation treatments with xeloda
Colon resection with ileostomy Feb 2012
8 Rounds of Xelox completed Sept 2012
Ileostomy reversal surgery Oct 2012
Incisional Hernia Repair Nov 2013

Swirdfish
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Re: Reduce scarring

Postby Swirdfish » Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:05 pm

chemo sabe wrote:first I will say that I am a black and white person. My responses do not sit well with everyone but I have never believed in sugar-coating the truth. I certainly appreciate and understand where your question is coming from and I wish I had a potion for you. The truth is that while you may be able to reduce the scarring from the surgery but the hole from the ileostomy is not going away - ever. After you get your takedown surgery, the site of your ostomy is considered a "dirty wound" and is not sutured back together. It is left to close and heal on its own. It will always be there. Please understand that I am not trying to hurt your feelings, I am just trying to help you set your expectation. I look at that spot on my body and I am reminded of how lucky I have been. I am hoping the very best for you.


Thanks for the info. I know the Ostomy site will be a very different story. Was your reversal for this open or laparoscopic?

I start folfox in a week for 4 months.
06/2016 Went in for colonoscopy came out with a tumor. Age 35
12cm from verge at junction. Rectal cancer.
Clinical stage T3 NO MO
Temp illestomy
Completed 5FU and Radiation
LAR surgery planned 13 Oct 2016
Completed ULAR surgery 11-10-2016.
0/22 nodes
pT3 N0 M0 R1
Stage 2A

Pathology reviewed and changed
ypT3 N0 M0 R0

Started folfox 21-11-2016
5-4-17 NED
Reversal 12-4-17

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CRguy
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Re: Reduce scarring

Postby CRguy » Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:12 pm

Hey buddy,
I hear you on the black and white thing, as that used to be my entry position on everything !!!! :twisted:
BUTT ..... as a point of correction to the assertion that
chemo sabe wrote:...... After you get your takedown surgery, the site of your ostomy is considered a "dirty wound" and is not sutured back together. It is left to close and heal on its own.


That is not correct.

1. My loop ileostomy takedown surgery was reduced as a surgically debrided / enlarged site to allow healing by primary intention ... i.e. sterile surgical closure ... and was NOT left open to heal and granulate by second intention. Open wounds are often the result of complications with the ostomy site and while they are known complications, they are not accepted as the normal response in most cases.

2. As a vet I have debrided / cleaned / curretted / enlarged thousands of surgical and non-surgical wounds over 35 + years. Healing by second intention, of itself does not necessarily require a large unsightly scar, though many do :(

3. Depending upon specifics of the individual patients problems and treatments, there is a range of optimal and suboptimal outcomes from surgical closures, so it is a bit cavalier to state one outcome from an individual circumstance as the definitive outcome for all patients.

4. reconstructive surgical repairs ( aka "plastic surgery" ) have been well applied in many cases to reduce the visual impact and restrictive complications of excess scarring, ergo, a large unsightly wound is not required to be the "new normal."

Just setting the record straight ...
in black and white ... :mrgreen:

Cheers
CRguy
Caregiver x 4
Stage IV A rectal cancer/lung met
13 Year survivor
my life is an ongoing totally randomized UNcontrolled experiment with N=1 !
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chemo sabe
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Re: Reduce scarring

Postby chemo sabe » Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:55 am

CRguy has a good and valid point. We are all individuals and our surgeons are going to choose a method they are most comfortable with. My surgeon believes in open healing and in my case it really left a mark. But in my case it doesn't matter much as my surgery was open and they had to resection both ascending and descending ends of my colon. Again, I asked my surgeon about laparoscopic and he said that he was going to be operating very near the nerves that affect sexual function and then he asked me if I wanted him to be able to see exactly what was going on during the operation or not. So they opened me from sternum to pelvis. Following all of that, I developed a large incisional hernia and the following year, he fixed that up by re-opening along the original incision and putting in a large piece of mesh so that scar is now quite visible but I am very much alive and very happy. I certainly hope the very best for you. Hang in there -
64 year old male
Diagnosed Stage 3 Rectal Cancer - T3N1M0 - Oct 2011
28 radiation treatments with xeloda
Colon resection with ileostomy Feb 2012
8 Rounds of Xelox completed Sept 2012
Ileostomy reversal surgery Oct 2012
Incisional Hernia Repair Nov 2013

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CRguy
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Re: Reduce scarring

Postby CRguy » Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:46 pm

.... but I am very much alive and very happy.
and THAT my friend is a great result

best wishes
CR
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Stage IV A rectal cancer/lung met
13 Year survivor
my life is an ongoing totally randomized UNcontrolled experiment with N=1 !
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chemo sabe
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Re: Reduce scarring

Postby chemo sabe » Fri Nov 11, 2016 4:58 pm

CRguy - so true and thank you very much.
64 year old male
Diagnosed Stage 3 Rectal Cancer - T3N1M0 - Oct 2011
28 radiation treatments with xeloda
Colon resection with ileostomy Feb 2012
8 Rounds of Xelox completed Sept 2012
Ileostomy reversal surgery Oct 2012
Incisional Hernia Repair Nov 2013

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Re: Reduce scarring

Postby macpudd » Fri Nov 11, 2016 5:22 pm

Hope your little one feels better soon, and glad you are out of hospital.
Regards
Macpudd
Dx 10/13/2014 right hemicolectomy 10/15/2014 pT4b N0 M0
Folfox x12 from Dec 2014 to July 2015
01/16/18 tonic seizure hospital admission
01/17/18 ct and mri 2cm tumor on left side of brain
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