Colonoscopy during treatment for metastatic disease

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Colonoscopy during treatment for metastatic disease

Postby KElizabeth » Mon Oct 24, 2016 1:55 pm

I think I missed the memo somewhere. Is it standard that annual colonoscopy is suspended while on treatment for metastatic disease?
I scheduled a scope with my GI and she called me today to cancel saying that she talked with my oncologist and they agreed that there was no benefit to getting scoped. She specifically said the would not do anything about what they find anyway since I am currently on treatment :( . I really was surprised, but I do see some of the reasoning.
How will my oncologist know that nothing is progressing in my colon?

I am also interested to know if there are doctors out there that will do VATS on patients that have disease elsewhere? Has anyone out there had experience with this? I want to chip away and this cancer to buy some time but my oncologist will not even discuss treatment besides chemo with me. He says to just wait for the next scan.

Any information here is greatly appreciated.
Female age 39- ,2 teens.
Colon Cancer - DX March 2013
Age 34 at DX - Stage III B
Resection surgery -May 2013
FOLFOX - June, 2013 to Sept, 2013
5FU plus leukavorin Sept, 2013 to Dec, 2013
METs liver and lungs discovered Sept, 2015
KRAS - MSS
FOLFIRI plus Avastin - Sept, 2015 - July 2017
Durvalumab and Cediranib Sept 2017 Dec 17
FOLFOX with desensitization protocol - current

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Re: Colonoscopy during treatment for metastatic disease

Postby betsydoglover » Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:12 pm

I can only tell you my experience. I had a scope while on treatment for met disease in 2005 - only because my diagnostic scope that year couldn't get all the way through due to tumor. Clean then and GI wanted to do another one in 3 years, so we did one in 2008. Next one in 5 years (2013) and now on the 5 year plan.

Most recurrences are in distance organs, not in colon. Not sure if you are rectal or colon - rectal I think is more likely to recur locally.

Not sure about VATS when other disease exists, but VATS was VERY easy surgery for me, and you should probably consult with some thoracic surgeons to get their opinion.
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Re: Colonoscopy during treatment for metastatic disease

Postby CRguy » Mon Oct 24, 2016 2:40 pm

KElizabeth wrote:Is it standard that annual colonoscopy is suspended while on treatment for metastatic disease?
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Any information here is greatly appreciated.


I skipped my third annual c-scope when dealing with the lung met, BUTT it was my call in seeing no point until the lung thingie was dealt with.

Don't specifically recall any docs saying it needed to be cancelled, just that I wasn't going to do it then !
I'd had 2 clean scopes and lotsa CTs in the interval so did not feel I was " missing out " on any diagnostics at the time.

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Re: Colonoscopy during treatment for metastatic disease

Postby KElizabeth » Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:06 pm

Yes. It's hard to feel like skipping a colonoscopy is "missing out".
Female age 39- ,2 teens.
Colon Cancer - DX March 2013
Age 34 at DX - Stage III B
Resection surgery -May 2013
FOLFOX - June, 2013 to Sept, 2013
5FU plus leukavorin Sept, 2013 to Dec, 2013
METs liver and lungs discovered Sept, 2015
KRAS - MSS
FOLFIRI plus Avastin - Sept, 2015 - July 2017
Durvalumab and Cediranib Sept 2017 Dec 17
FOLFOX with desensitization protocol - current

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Re: Colonoscopy during treatment for metastatic disease

Postby DebZ » Mon Oct 24, 2016 4:55 pm

My oncologist said no colonoscopy because I'm on Avastin. There's a risk of bleeding. I see that you're on it too. Could that be one of the reasons they don't want you to have one now?
48 @ diagnosis Sept 2014
MSS; Kras mutant G12D
Oct 2014: right hemicolectomy
Dec 2014-May 2015: Folfox
June 2015: clean scans
Sept 2015: scans reveal ovarian mass and liver met; Folfiri
Jan 2016: liver wedge resection and hysterectomy
April 2016: multiple lung mets; Folfiri+Avastin
June 2017: lung mets growing; switch to Folfox+Avastin
Jan-April 2018: dropped oxali; CEA rising
May 2018: back on Folfox+Avastin, add pulse steroid treatment to get platelet count up (continuously in 50s)

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Re: Colonoscopy during treatment for metastatic disease

Postby KElizabeth » Mon Oct 24, 2016 6:59 pm

DebZ wrote:My oncologist said no colonoscopy because I'm on Avastin. There's a risk of bleeding. I see that you're on it too. Could that be one of the reasons they don't want you to have one now?

You're probably right. I kinda felt like they just didn't care if there were polyps up there at this point.
Female age 39- ,2 teens.
Colon Cancer - DX March 2013
Age 34 at DX - Stage III B
Resection surgery -May 2013
FOLFOX - June, 2013 to Sept, 2013
5FU plus leukavorin Sept, 2013 to Dec, 2013
METs liver and lungs discovered Sept, 2015
KRAS - MSS
FOLFIRI plus Avastin - Sept, 2015 - July 2017
Durvalumab and Cediranib Sept 2017 Dec 17
FOLFOX with desensitization protocol - current

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Re: Colonoscopy during treatment for metastatic disease

Postby H is for Hawk » Mon Oct 24, 2016 9:05 pm

My oncologist said colonoscopies during treatment of metastatic disease was unnecessary. At he put it, you have more important issues now, treating the metastatic disease is the prime focus.
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Re: Colonoscopy during treatment for metastatic disease

Postby rp1954 » Tue Oct 25, 2016 12:07 am

One carefully planned colonscopy in six+ years, while on oral chemo and cimetidine, no Avastin.

With the right chemo toxicity and nutrient balance, careful operations are possible with a minimum of chemo disruption.
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Re: Colonoscopy during treatment for metastatic disease

Postby fumaros » Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:01 am

Hi KElizabeth,

It seems like while you are on chemo, esp with Avastin, your ability to heal from injury is impaired significantly making surgery very risky. So even if they found anything, they wont be able to remove it without significant life threatening risks. Except you really want to know if something is wrong without the capability to do anything about it - which that might be okay as well.
A friend of mine who is an oncologist told me that while a person is on chemo there is a lot less of a chance of any tumors forming.
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CEA 4/14/16 - 16.8
CEA 6/2/16 - 1.9
CEA 6/17/16 - 0.87, 7/16 - 1.33, 12/16 - 1.14, 4/17 - 0.6, 7/17 - 0.5, 10/17 - 0.9, 3/19 -5.8, 4/19 -10
FOLFOX began 6/24/16 - 11/25/16, FOLFIRI - 5/10/19
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Re: Colonoscopy during treatment for metastatic disease

Postby KElizabeth » Tue Oct 25, 2016 11:59 am

fumaros wrote:Hi KElizabeth,

It seems like while you are on chemo, esp with Avastin, your ability to heal from injury is impaired significantly making surgery very risky. So even if they found anything, they wont be able to remove it without significant life threatening risks. Except you really want to know if something is wrong without the capability to do anything about it - which that might be okay as well.
A friend of mine who is an oncologist told me that while a person is on chemo there is a lot less of a chance of any tumors forming.

Thank you. That makes me feel better. I've been a big bundle of anxiety lately due to rising CEA. I real had convinced myself there was a new occurrence in the colon. Maybe not so likely now that I hear this.
Female age 39- ,2 teens.
Colon Cancer - DX March 2013
Age 34 at DX - Stage III B
Resection surgery -May 2013
FOLFOX - June, 2013 to Sept, 2013
5FU plus leukavorin Sept, 2013 to Dec, 2013
METs liver and lungs discovered Sept, 2015
KRAS - MSS
FOLFIRI plus Avastin - Sept, 2015 - July 2017
Durvalumab and Cediranib Sept 2017 Dec 17
FOLFOX with desensitization protocol - current


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