Glycerol in HAI pump - not at MSKCC

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Glycerol in HAI pump - not at MSKCC

Postby midlifemom » Thu May 05, 2016 12:31 pm

Hi,
Does anyone have their HAI pump filled with glycerol locally instead of going to MSK?

What's your story behind not going there?

What's the logistics of making it happen?
Stage 3 cc - dx Jan '14 age 53, cea 2.9
t2n2m0, KRAS mutant, MSS
Folfox Feb - Aug '14
Nov '14 cea 27.7 -2 liver masses
Dec '14 left lobectomy and HAI
Jan '15 FUDR and FOLFIRI
Aug '15 fudr done, liver clear, add avastin for lungs. Cea 4.3
Feb '16 CEA rising
May '16 2 wk break then drop Iri for 6 weeks.
Jul '16 cancer grew, constricted main bile duct. Stent inserted. On break till jaundice clears. CEA climbing. Doing reduced Folfox. Allergic to Oxali.
Sep'16 chemo failed. Trial or hospice?

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juliej
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Re: Glycerol in HAI pump - not at MSKCC

Postby juliej » Thu May 05, 2016 4:51 pm

I have my pump filled locally. I go to MSKCC for a scan/consultation and have it filled there and then 8 weeks later have it filled locally. Dr. K's office provides a script for the glycerol and my local place has it filled at a compounding pharmacy a few days before I come in. The nurses learned to access the pump by watching the training on MSK's website. While I'm there they do labs (CBC, CMP, LDH, and CEA) and send the results to Dr. K's office. I live on the west coast so this works out better for me than flying to NYC every 2 months.

Hope this helps!
Julie
Stage IVb, liver/lung mets 8/4/2010
Xelox+Avastin 8/18/10 to 10/21/2011
LAR, liver resec, HAI pump 11/2011
Adjuvant Irinotecan + FUDR
Double lung surgery + ileo reversal 2/2012
Adjuvant FUDR + Xeloda
VATS rt. lung 12/2012 - benign granuloma!
VATS left lung 11/2013
NED 11/22/13 to 12/18/2019, CEA<1

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Re: Glycerol in HAI pump - not at MSKCC

Postby j'swife » Sun May 08, 2016 7:51 am

While our local onc found one local chemo center (not his own at a major local hospital!) that will service DH's HAI pump between MSK visits every 4 weeks, they are not able or willing to fill the glycerol RX to MSK specifications.

He can grin and bear it since we are in DC and MSK Is a train ride.

Wishing you better luck!
DH 63 12/12 unresectable liver mets. 2/13 Ffx-Avstn fail. 4/13 HAI pump@MSK. 8/13 mets 50%;Resectn & LAR 10/13.NED! Folfiri & FUDR. reversal 4/14. 3 lvr spots 10/14. 5FU+FUDR. 5/15 resectn/IRE . 7/15 lung 'thingy' 9/15. FUDR, Xeloda. HFS. 2/16 RFA of lung met. FUDR/IRI. 4/16 2 lung 1pelv spots. XEL, stop FUDR. 6/16 RFA 2of 3 mets. XEL. D.10/3/2016 of infection post surgery to remove aortic clots (rare Budd-Chiari syndrome) in local hospital. HAI success! then blindsided...

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Re: Glycerol in HAI pump - not at MSKCC

Postby kandj » Mon May 09, 2016 8:23 am

midlifemom wrote:Hi,
Does anyone have their HAI pump filled with glycerol locally instead of going to MSK?

What's your story behind not going there?

What's the logistics of making it happen?


DH had his filled with glycerol once when the time between getting the FUDR taken out and then seeing Dr. K was going to be 3 weeks. It was not an issue. He was sent home from NYC with the glycerol and some icepacks. We gave it to his Local Onc.'s office and they stored it until pump discharge. They filled it up no problem. I figure this is what they will do when he is done with FUDR. One of the nurses at Dr.K's made it seem like we wouldn't be able to get the glycerol anywhere, but we have MDAnderson down the road, and they do HAI pumps as well as up at Baylor, so I am sure we can get is closer then NYC. I figure, if nothing else, we can have it overnighted from MSKCC. Still cheaper then flying out and staying in Manhattan!
wife to DH, dx 8/15 stage IV @36, 12+ liver Mets
HAI placed 12/15
Liver resect 5/19/2016 15-20 mets (surgeon lost count)
Liver Recurrence 7/2017-radiation
Lung met 10/18 VATS
lung/adrenal gland recurrence 11/19
Adrenal ablation 2/20 VATS 3/20
Radiation: 9/20 adrenal gland, 2/21 pancreatic node
9/2021 liver, 4/22 esophageal node
7/2023 proton therapy: liver
140+ rounds of chemo and counting
Chest nodes, lung nodules, and esophageal nodes currently.

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Re: Glycerol in HAI pump - not at MSKCC

Postby midlifemom » Mon May 09, 2016 9:46 am

Thanks all.
Stage 3 cc - dx Jan '14 age 53, cea 2.9
t2n2m0, KRAS mutant, MSS
Folfox Feb - Aug '14
Nov '14 cea 27.7 -2 liver masses
Dec '14 left lobectomy and HAI
Jan '15 FUDR and FOLFIRI
Aug '15 fudr done, liver clear, add avastin for lungs. Cea 4.3
Feb '16 CEA rising
May '16 2 wk break then drop Iri for 6 weeks.
Jul '16 cancer grew, constricted main bile duct. Stent inserted. On break till jaundice clears. CEA climbing. Doing reduced Folfox. Allergic to Oxali.
Sep'16 chemo failed. Trial or hospice?

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Re: Glycerol in HAI pump - not at MSKCC

Postby arizona mom » Mon May 09, 2016 10:09 am

I live in Arizona and I was able to find a local oncologist that was willing to learn to access the HAI pump. My husband has always paid attention to the procedure and he still helps the oncologist to remember how to put the kit together and the order of the steps. It seems to me to be more of a nurse thing, but the office won't allow the nurses to do it (I think for liability reasons).

My cancer center was able to find a local compound pharmacy that mixes the glycerol. It costs $75 a pop and couldn't get my current insurance to cover it. Not a big deal, but it is interesting dilemma that I can go in every 2 weeks for saline at no cost (because I have met my out of pocket maximum for doctor visits), but I have to pay myself to buy the glycerol so I can wait 6 weeks between doctor visits.

My MSK oncologist is not Dr K.. I have heard that Dr K. is a bit more strict about where the glycerol comes from and who puts it in. My MSK onc pretty much gave her blessing for me to get glycerol from any compound pharmacy I could find willing to mix it.

Last I heard, MSK does not send out glycerol by mail. It was actually pretty hard to find a compound pharmacy willing to mix it. For a while, I had a company recommended by MSK sending it to me by mail order, but they stopped offering that service about 6 months ago. Also, recently, my local compound pharmacy told me that the glycerol needs to be used within like 3 days of being mixed. When I originally got it from MSK, I remember the expiration was like 6 month out.

That's my glycerol story. ;)
47 yrs mom of 4
5-7-14 - dx stage IV-3 liver mets. CEA 76
5-20-14 Folfox w/Avastin
7-24-14 - Colon/liver resection and HAI implant at MSKCC
11-18-2014 - scan- NED!
12-19-14 finished 12 treatments of Folfox (dropped Oxali after 9)
2-19-15, 6-18-15 clean scans - NED
9-11-15 mets in ovaries - hysterectomy - CEA 1.0
Folfiri 10/15 to 3/16
3-24-16 CT scan NED
7-1-16 It's back. 1cm in lung and 3 peri mets. :(


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