Liver resection at mskcc- how long will I most likely stay in the hospital?

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Liver resection at mskcc- how long will I most likely stay in the hospital?

Postby mariane » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:31 pm

Hi!

I am getting my liver resection on January 26th. I need to book hotels/apartments. How long will I most likely stay in hospital? When can I fly back home after surgery? How should I prepare for my chemo break besides taking Cimetidine?
I am scared but there is no choice. It is good that I am getting resection.

Happy New Year for everyone!
mom of now 14 years old twins, dx @ 40 in 6/2015 with upper rectal cancer, 10+ liver mets, CEA 140
chemo: 8/2015 - 10/2016 - 4xFOLFIRINOX, 2xFOLFOX, 8xFOLFIRI, 10x5FU, HAI pump -12xFUDR
4 surgeries, complete pathological response
CEA<2 since 10/2015
NED since May 2016

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Re: Liver resection at mskcc- how long will I most likely stay in the hospital?

Postby cptmac » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:37 pm

Dear Mariane,

Unfortunately, there is no tried and true answer to your question. The only answer is, it depends.

Some people go home within a week, others are there much longer.

I truly understood the meaning of taking things day by day when I went through this journey, and sometimes I took it second by second.

In this second I feel good, and all is well.

In this minute I feel awful, but in another minute I will feel well again.

Prepare for the worst - ie bring things to read and things to do, but hope for the best - that you don't have time to have spare time.

I know this answer doesn't help, but it really does depend.

I had my colon surgery four weeks prior to my liver surgery. Sailed through my colon surgery. Had complications after my liver surgery. Was in for a while.

But, here I am, over 10 years later, alive and kicking!!! And that's what it's all about...
cptmac
As long as you're alive, there is hope.
dx 7/04 stage IV
colon resection 8/04
liver resection 9/04 with HAI pump installed
Stage II trial w irinotecan as systemic and FUDR for direct chemo to liver via HAI pump
Cured since 9/04

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Re: Liver resection at mskcc- how long will I most likely stay in the hospital?

Postby mariane » Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:29 pm

Thank you. Cptmac! I will be happy when I wake up from this surgery.
Last edited by mariane on Tue Dec 29, 2015 11:29 pm, edited 1 time in total.
mom of now 14 years old twins, dx @ 40 in 6/2015 with upper rectal cancer, 10+ liver mets, CEA 140
chemo: 8/2015 - 10/2016 - 4xFOLFIRINOX, 2xFOLFOX, 8xFOLFIRI, 10x5FU, HAI pump -12xFUDR
4 surgeries, complete pathological response
CEA<2 since 10/2015
NED since May 2016

I praise God for every day with my family!

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Re: Liver resection at mskcc- how long will I most likely stay in the hospital?

Postby midlifemom » Tue Dec 29, 2015 10:49 pm

I was there 5 days BUTT as cpt says, everyone is different.
Stage 3 cc - dx Jan '14 age 53, cea 2.9
t2n2m0, KRAS mutant, MSS
Folfox Feb - Aug '14
Nov '14 cea 27.7 -2 liver masses
Dec '14 left lobectomy and HAI
Jan '15 FUDR and FOLFIRI
Aug '15 fudr done, liver clear, add avastin for lungs. Cea 4.3
Feb '16 CEA rising
May '16 2 wk break then drop Iri for 6 weeks.
Jul '16 cancer grew, constricted main bile duct. Stent inserted. On break till jaundice clears. CEA climbing. Doing reduced Folfox. Allergic to Oxali.
Sep'16 chemo failed. Trial or hospice?

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Re: Liver resection at mskcc- how long will I most likely stay in the hospital?

Postby Stanfordmom » Tue Dec 29, 2015 11:50 pm

mariane,
I stayed in the hospital six nights after my liver resection. I was recovering fine and getting ready to fly home three weeks after the surgery, then I had some liquid collections and infection. I had to be re-admitted to the hospital for another week. I waited another week after discharge to fly home finally.

If everything's goes fine, you should be able to fly home two to three weeks after your surgery.

Good luck with your surgery and your recovery!! I will pray for you.

Sha
DX 4/2/2014 at 44, stage 4, mets liver and ovaries
Mom to 2 boys
Three surgeries, HAI pump and lots of chemo
fighting!

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Re: Liver resection at mskcc- how long will I most likely stay in the hospital?

Postby LeonW » Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:55 am

Marianne,

As said, it all depends. Mine was said to last about a week, but I stayed almost a month as too little liver left kept it from getting started. But don't be scared as this was pretty exceptional. Everyone is different and some are more different than others; there is always a chance that things work out less well than average. BTW, in our health system (Netherlands), hospitals are only paid for 'typical' costs; exceptions are at their expense which means that they are only paid for 8 days big-house time. All the extra is on their account. From which you may conclude that anything over 8 days is pretty exceptional. In your shoes I'd plan for the time your doctors estimate. Take it day-by-day and improvise your way out, if necessary.

Keep in mind that resection is the best treatment. I left hospital 26 months ago - everything still clean. Am back to normal life again.
Wish you the same / happy 2016
L
Dec 2012 - CC 2 unresect liver mets, CEA 41.8 (MM 65yrs)
Jan 2013 - colectomy @ spleen 2/26 nodes IVa T3N1bM1a
Feb-Jul - 1x Xelox-7x Xelox/Avastin, shrinkage from #3
Aug - 2x PV embolization (both failed)
Sep 2013 - R liver resect, 25d hosp (liver failure/delirium, lung emboli, encephalopathy), no living cancer (pCR)
2014/15 - recovery, scopy: 2 polyps
2016 - new town/life
2018, scopy: 2 polyps
2018/20 low (1.0-1.4) CEAs/clean CTs: 4x2014, 6x2015-17, 3x2018-20
next June 2021!

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Re: Liver resection at mskcc- how long will I most likely stay in the hospital?

Postby mariane » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:54 am

Thank you so much! I know how unpredictable surgery/recovery can be.... Anyway I have no choice and have to hope for the best.

Because of my endometriosis ( I have a new haemorrhagic, painful cyst again) I asked Dr K for ovaries removal. She agreed with me and they want to proceed with taking them out as well on the same day. It will be long, long day for my surgeons and me.
mom of now 14 years old twins, dx @ 40 in 6/2015 with upper rectal cancer, 10+ liver mets, CEA 140
chemo: 8/2015 - 10/2016 - 4xFOLFIRINOX, 2xFOLFOX, 8xFOLFIRI, 10x5FU, HAI pump -12xFUDR
4 surgeries, complete pathological response
CEA<2 since 10/2015
NED since May 2016

I praise God for every day with my family!

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Re: Liver resection at mskcc- how long will I most likely stay in the hospital?

Postby crazylife » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:42 am

My husband had colon and liver surgery and was there 8 days. Good luck to you and God bless!
Wife to DH, 41 years old, diagnosed 11/15
Stage 4, Mod diff, 13/24 LN, 1 liver met
Colon/liver resection at MSK, 11/15
8mm lung met (not confirmed) and enlarged lymph nodes 1/16
12 rounds of folfox (9 with Oxi) 6/16
NED - July 2016
NED - October 2016
3 lung mets - March 2017
7 lung mets, May 2017
RFA to largest met, June 2017
Lung mets growing slowly, October 2017 (off treatment since June 2016)
Right lung surgery, November 2017
Left lung surgery, January 2018
NED - May 2018

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Re: Liver resection at mskcc- how long will I most likely stay in the hospital?

Postby BrownBagger » Wed Dec 30, 2015 11:51 am

I had double lung surgery there and was only in the hospital for 4 days.

The sooner you start walking and the more you walk around the ward, the sooner you'll be outtathere.
Eric, 58
Dx: 3/09, Stage 4 RC
Recurrences: (ongoing, lung, bronchial cavity, ribs)
Major Ops: 6/ RFA: 3 /bronchoscopies: 8
Pelvic radiation: 5 wks. Bronchial radiation—brachytheray: 3 treatments
Chemo Rounds (career):136
Current Chemo Cocktail: Xeloda & Erbitux & Irinotecan biweekly
Current Cocktail; On the Wagon (mostly)
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Re: Liver resection at mskcc- how long will I most likely stay in the hospital?

Postby jalusa » Wed Dec 30, 2015 1:48 pm

Best to you... I hope to follow you soon.
Hoping to get to resection with HAI pump.
Failed PVE - Searching for options
Chemo for life

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Re: Liver resection at mskcc- how long will I most likely stay in the hospital?

Postby mariane » Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:12 pm

Thank you for everything!

Jim, best wishes to you! We are on this trip together and together we will win the battle!

I know I have to get up from bed as soon as possible. I try to walk as much as I can now to get stronger. Warm winter and mild Georgia climate helps. If only had rained less! I try to predict how much time I need since I need to arrange childcare.
mom of now 14 years old twins, dx @ 40 in 6/2015 with upper rectal cancer, 10+ liver mets, CEA 140
chemo: 8/2015 - 10/2016 - 4xFOLFIRINOX, 2xFOLFOX, 8xFOLFIRI, 10x5FU, HAI pump -12xFUDR
4 surgeries, complete pathological response
CEA<2 since 10/2015
NED since May 2016

I praise God for every day with my family!

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Re: Liver resection at mskcc- how long will I most likely stay in the hospital?

Postby juliej » Wed Dec 30, 2015 3:56 pm

Mariane, I was in the hospital for 7 days but I had a liver resection + resection of primary tumor + HAI pump implanted, all in one surgery. The odds are you won't be in there that long. That said, much depends on how you do, any complications, etc. I think we have a somewhat similar biology. I had a strong response to chemo too and a significant reduction in the size of my liver mets before surgery. However, I also had lung mets at diagnosis, one in the bottom of each lung. They were both removed in a second surgery (3 months after my liver resection) along with an ileostomy reversal. So I have had two major surgeries, each with 3 procedures. I am now NED. :D

As BrownBagger said, the sooner you start walking after surgery,the sooner you will get released. (Walking stimulates the body's natural healing processes.) As for pain relief, I had an epidural for the surgery (I highly recommend an epidural!) and oral pain medication (Oxycodone) afterwards. They will make sure you are as pain-free as possible because too much pain keeps the body from healing. I didn't feel like eating much right after the resection, but my appetite gradually came back. I think the oxy pills were part of the problem because when I started weaning myself off them, I could eat more. I craved certain foods too -- salmon, sweet potatoes, pumpkin, orange juice -- anything orange! :D I think my body needed some nutrient in those foods. It look about 3 months to gain back the 15 pounds I lost during surgery so I was underweight for awhile. Eat fresh, healthy, organic food whenever you can.

Try not to be scared. Just think of how good you're going to feel when you wake up and know the tumors are gone! I also had Dr. D'Angelica for my liver surgery! He will take very good care of you. PM me if you have any questions about anything. I'll be sending prayers and holding you in the light on January 26th!

Hugs!
Julie
Stage IVb, liver/lung mets 8/4/2010
Xelox+Avastin 8/18/10 to 10/21/2011
LAR, liver resec, HAI pump 11/2011
Adjuvant Irinotecan + FUDR
Double lung surgery + ileo reversal 2/2012
Adjuvant FUDR + Xeloda
VATS rt. lung 12/2012 - benign granuloma!
VATS left lung 11/2013
NED 11/22/13 to 12/18/2019, CEA<1

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Re: Liver resection at mskcc- how long will I most likely stay in the hospital?

Postby mariane » Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:17 pm

Thank you, JulieJ! You story is so uplifting.

I think we have one more thing in common. We both like to be active. I also love to jog, climb mountains, swimming. Loosing weight after surgery is my concern. I was always slim and I have hardly anything to loose. We will see.

Happy New Year to you and everybody! Stay in NEDville forever!
mom of now 14 years old twins, dx @ 40 in 6/2015 with upper rectal cancer, 10+ liver mets, CEA 140
chemo: 8/2015 - 10/2016 - 4xFOLFIRINOX, 2xFOLFOX, 8xFOLFIRI, 10x5FU, HAI pump -12xFUDR
4 surgeries, complete pathological response
CEA<2 since 10/2015
NED since May 2016

I praise God for every day with my family!

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Re: Liver resection at mskcc- how long will I most likely stay in the hospital?

Postby j'swife » Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:00 am

So glad to hear you will soon be rid of this!
The only advice I would add is
1 to find out when Dr D wants to see you post op. and plan to stay that long ...hopefully in a hotel using new york's vast galaxy of good restaurants that deliver .. or supermarket delivery if you refuse self indulgence.
2we have relied on the helmsley tower patient accommodation s - all with kitchenettes - a block and a half from the hospital. they are sympathtic about doctor-driven schedule changes and even cancellations. Because you wont pay the horrible NYC hotel taxes at this non profit, the total cost is about the same as the midlevel hotels in the area.

my DH was in for six nights after 8 hrs of surgery to resect primary and liver mets. He is a determined hostpital lap-walker. But he was very weak on release . We stayed another 3 or 4 days and walked upper east side laps, but he was weak for several more weeks... (and we do not have small twins..)

In sum, you will need to get whatever help you can to get your strength back over several weeks. And celebrate. .
All the best..
DH 63 12/12 unresectable liver mets. 2/13 Ffx-Avstn fail. 4/13 HAI pump@MSK. 8/13 mets 50%;Resectn & LAR 10/13.NED! Folfiri & FUDR. reversal 4/14. 3 lvr spots 10/14. 5FU+FUDR. 5/15 resectn/IRE . 7/15 lung 'thingy' 9/15. FUDR, Xeloda. HFS. 2/16 RFA of lung met. FUDR/IRI. 4/16 2 lung 1pelv spots. XEL, stop FUDR. 6/16 RFA 2of 3 mets. XEL. D.10/3/2016 of infection post surgery to remove aortic clots (rare Budd-Chiari syndrome) in local hospital. HAI success! then blindsided...

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Re: Liver resection at mskcc- how long will I most likely stay in the hospital?

Postby LeonW » Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:31 am

j'swife wrote: We stayed another 3 or 4 days . . . but he was weak for several more weeks...

Good point. I was rather disappointed when family doctor that recovery could well take longer than the 100 days I had allotted.
Don't be overambitious in your planning. Not that recovery is difficult, it just may take longer than you wish to regain normal energy levels. Listen to your body.

Best wishes (for now and a happy 2016)
L
Dec 2012 - CC 2 unresect liver mets, CEA 41.8 (MM 65yrs)
Jan 2013 - colectomy @ spleen 2/26 nodes IVa T3N1bM1a
Feb-Jul - 1x Xelox-7x Xelox/Avastin, shrinkage from #3
Aug - 2x PV embolization (both failed)
Sep 2013 - R liver resect, 25d hosp (liver failure/delirium, lung emboli, encephalopathy), no living cancer (pCR)
2014/15 - recovery, scopy: 2 polyps
2016 - new town/life
2018, scopy: 2 polyps
2018/20 low (1.0-1.4) CEAs/clean CTs: 4x2014, 6x2015-17, 3x2018-20
next June 2021!


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