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Sparrow
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Any ideas?

Postby Sparrow » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:26 am

Hi folks :D
I need some hopeful comments regarding my husband's diagnosis. I'm scared to death, not feeling so hopeful anymore and confused. Here is his story in brief:

56 y.o., good health otherwise
1/7/15 Complete sigmoid colon blockage and 2 large liver lesions, lungs clear. CEA 3,000+. Stage 4 colorectal cancer.
Temp colostomy throughout chemo
6 months chemo 5FU with Avastin. At completion CEA 7
9/15 Did a liver resection with good margins. Tumors only 1-5% viable. CT scan showed questionable, tiny spots in lungs.
10/15 Waited 6 weeks then went in for colostomy reversal and colon tumor removal. Pre-surgery CT showed some growth of lung spots. Hubby opted to proceed with colostomy/colon tumor removal surgery over more chemo first. Colon surgery had good margins but path report showed tumor was 60 to 70% viable. CEA .07. Dr. Says he will have to do chemo for the rest of his life and feels he will make it to the 2.5 year mark. My question is this: in all honesty, once colorectal CA has metastasized to liver and lungs will chemo buy him much time? Anybody know of any long time survival stories beyond 3 years with Stage 4? AND does anyone know anything about Vitamin C infusions, treatment with Tumeric or Ph balancing?

orcasres
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Location: Orcas Island, WA

Re: Any ideas?

Postby orcasres » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:01 am

Hi, Sparrow,

This must be very frustrating for you and your husband. It definitely sounds like it would be appropriate for you to seek a second opinion. Every case is different and there may be options for your husband, including clinical trials, that would make sense. I personally would not want to stop investigating other options this soon or to give up on chemo yet. There are definitely stories of survival on this board for stage IV at five years and beyond and hopefully they will respond. Lois
63 yo F
Colon resection Sept. 2010
pT3N0M0 Stage 2A
Medullary Tumor 6.5cm long
Lymphovascular invasion
Lynch negative
12 FOLFOX 11/2010 to 5/2011 8 w/Oxi
NED so far

stu
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Re: Any ideas?

Postby stu » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:31 am

Hi.
My mum is doing nicely at 6 1/2 years. She has a small met showing just now but she has a good life and enjoys it. Where we live chemo is not used in the same way and she has only ever had six cycles twice to get her to surgery. The first couple of years were spent reducing the tumour load and then it settled for four years.
Much love
Stu
supporter to my mum who lives a great life despite a difficult diagnosis
stage4 2009 significant spread to liver
2010 colon /liver resection
chemo following recurrence
73% of liver removed
enjoying life treatment free
2016 lung resection
Oct 2017 nice clear scan . Two lung nodules disappeared
Oct 2018. Another clear scan .

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betsydoglover
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Facebook Username: Betsy Lindh Williams
Location: Maryland - outside DC

Re: Any ideas?

Postby betsydoglover » Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:57 am

Seeking a second opinion is a good idea.

And, there are many folks doing well more than 3 years after a Stage 4 diagnosis. See my signature, for example. 10.5 years since diagnosis. 7 years since recurrence in lung. No chemo for 4.5 years.

Take care,
Betsy
diag. Stage IV, 5/05, liver met
lap sigmoid colectomy, 6/05
6 cycles Xeloda/oxaliplatin/Avastin (NED after 2)
11/08 9x13mm right lower lobe lung nodule; removed via VATS 4/09
NED
6 cycles Xeloda + Avastin
Avastin only 10/09-5/11
Still NED 06/18

rp1954
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Re: Any ideas?

Postby rp1954 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:41 am

We used multiple chemistries, 5FU chemo, natural supplements and off label drugs to beat down metastatic colon cancer for over 5 yrs, including minor lung spots, "thangs".

You might read several Life Extension articles on colon cancer. Several people, either definitely or probably with Kras/BRAFmuatations, have benefited from IV vitamin C with their 5FU based treatments. Curcumin, the much concentrated turmeric extract, has been used or added by a number of survivors here. PSK and vitamin D3 have had a number of successful survivors adding them. Off label drugs like cimetidine and celecoxib have helped a number of people.

You might read our prior discussions how people have advocated for themselves, gone beyond the minimum standard of care to get ahead of their cancer, gotten multiple kinds of medical and nutritional support, to recover from serious situations.
watchful, active researcher and caregiver for stage IVb/c CC. surgeries 4/10 sigmoid etc & 5/11 para-aortic LN cluster; 8 yrs immuno-Chemo for mCRC; now no chemo
most of 2010 Life Extension recommendations and possibilities + more, some (much) higher, peaking ~2011-12, taper chemo to almost nothing mid 2018, IV C-->2021. Now supplements

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Crystald
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Re: Any ideas?

Postby Crystald » Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:06 pm

Hello.

A wealth of info here:

mCRC STAGE IV OR RECURRENT PATIENTS thread - ONGOING

http://coloncancersupport.colonclub.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=41618

All from stage IV folks.
Age 58
DX Jul 2014 Stage IVb CRC metastatic, unknown primary, CEA 1826
Inoperable, Chemo for life
KRASwt
MSI: not tested
29 Jul 14 Port
30 Jul - 19 Jan 2015 Folfox (12 cycles) CEA 164.5
9 Feb 15 - 20 May Flofiri failed (6 cycles) CEA 417.0
17 Jul 15 - Initiated Vectibix CEA 555.5
17 Jul 2015 - 14 Jan 2016 Vectibix
8 Feb 2016 - 11 Apr 2016 Xeloda
26 Apr 2016 Hospice

jhocno197
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Re: Any ideas?

Postby jhocno197 » Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:44 pm

You can look into clinical trials. I know there are at least a couple of people here who have done well with that.
DH - dx Dec 2014, stage IV with bladder & peritoneal involvement - non-resectable
Colostomy
FOLFOX failed
FOLFIRI failed
Tumor actually distending pelvic skin
Not a candidate for last-ditch pelvic exenteration
Stivarga finally begun 2/19/16
Tumor growing/fungating
Lonsurf started 11/18/16
Died 3/10/17

jalusa
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Re: Any ideas?

Postby jalusa » Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:46 pm

I would seek a 2nd opinion. User JulieJ had both liver & lung mets.

viewtopic.php?t=51430
Hoping to get to resection with HAI pump.
Failed PVE - Searching for options
Chemo for life


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