Divine Healing

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PGLGreg
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Re: Divine Healing

Postby PGLGreg » Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:28 am

weisssoccermom wrote:My point is this....if we believe that God gives us free will to make our own choices - some that will lead to successes, some to failures...it would be inconsistent then to believe that God 'gives' us bad things like cancer. Just my opinion.

Inconsistent with what? I can't follow your reasoning, unless you're saying that you gave yourself cancer.
Greg
stage 2a rectal cancer 11/05 at age 63
LAR 12/05 with adjuvant radiation+5FU,leucovorin 1-2/06
NED for 12 years, cured

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Re: Divine Healing

Postby weisssoccermom » Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:27 am

What I was trying to say was this. For those people who say that they don't believe in God, then how can they say a being that they don't 'believe' in gave them or anyone a disease. That is inconsistent. IF you believe in God and believe in the concept of free will, then it follows that God doesn't control our lives...hence he doesn't 'give' us cancer. I didn't give myself cancer...just like God didn't 'give' it to me or anyone else. It just happened. Why? I don't know and it really doesn't matter.....it is what it is....no explanation. Just happened.

I just always find it odd that people who say that they don't believe in God (that's fine...their perogative) can come back and then state that they don't understand why God "gave" a child/themselves, etc. cancer or any other disease. It just doesn't make sense. Either you believe in God or you don't. Which one is it?
Dx 6/22/2006 IIA rectal cancer
6 wks rad/Xeloda -finished 9/06
1st attempt transanal excision 11/06
11/17/06 XELOX 1 cycle
5 months Xeloda only Dec '06 - April '07
10+ blood clots, 1 DVT 1/07
transanal excision 4/20/07 path-NO CANCER CELLS!
NED now and forever!
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Re: Divine Healing

Postby Annemiek » Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:58 am

Even if you don't believe there is a god you can try to follow someone elses reasoning to see if this makes sense, and to check if it is something you could believe in.

As everone described their faith differently it is difficult to keep the line of argument pure.
If someone says to me, god has plans with me, and If I follow his path, he will guide me and know what is good for me, then, i don't understand the need for him to plan difficulties such as cancer in someones way. There's where I stopfollowing the argument.

note, apparently this is a different believe system from what you have, where you say ( correct me if I'm wrong) god gave you the independence to do what you think is right, and doesn't control you in any way, in that case, perhaps cancer or other misfortunes happen for whatever reason they happen.

So many different viewpoints, so many words needed to describe it Accurately so little time.

Btw, heineken isn't using gmo's is it? Not in Europe I think.
I prefer belgium beer.

Annemiek

43 yr mum of a girl aged 7
10/2014 coloncancer stage IIIc
11/2014 HIPEC, tumor removed + 12 positive out of 60 ln
hysterectomy, abdominal lining partly removed
Peridonitus, stoma fitted, 6 abcesses drained in abdomen
MSS, kras
3/2015 Folfox, someones playing kill Bill inside me
9/2015 finished 12 rounds,
First scan results: NED!!!!!!!!!
4/2016 ct scan: NED!!!
7/2016 ultrasound: NED
10/2016 cr scan: NED
5/2017 ultrasound: NED 2,5 yrs!
CEA 8/2017 1.8 stable.
CT scan 11/2017 NED! 3 yrs
CEA 1.9

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Re: Divine Healing

Postby Nik Colon » Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:15 am

My personal belief is....I really don't know! I believe in God and an afterlife, I don't believe God punishes us by giving us diseases and such, etc. As far as healing and so called miracles, jmo, as I stated b4, I believe the mind is very powerful and that it is possible for those who truly believe that God can save them with prayer (those who have absolutely no doubt) that it's possible their mind power could be what cured them. Of course I'm not sure, but I think it's possible. Is there true miracles idk. I have seen some things personally for me to believe in an afterlife and believe our loved ones past visit us and who knows if it's them that help or if they can, maybe just visit to comfort us? Anyway, no one living can know for sure. As I say, we will all know the truth when we die, until that time it's just belief or not. I won't say anyone is right or wrong and feel everyone has a right to believe what they want. The only thing I ever question to nonbelievers is, why not just be open to the possibility since there is no proof if there is or isn't a God or afterlife. Jmo. Either way, no judgment from me just confusion at times :)

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Re: Divine Healing

Postby PGLGreg » Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:41 pm

weisssoccermom wrote:IF you believe in God and believe in the concept of free will, then it follows that God doesn't control our lives...hence he doesn't 'give' us cancer.

No, it doesn't follow. For many believers, God is the Efficient Cause -- if anything happens, He did it. I see no inconsistency in believing that God gave you free will and also gave you cancer. I don't happen to be a believer, but that doesn't mean you can pull the theological wool over my eyes.
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stage 2a rectal cancer 11/05 at age 63
LAR 12/05 with adjuvant radiation+5FU,leucovorin 1-2/06
NED for 12 years, cured

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Re: Divine Healing

Postby weisssoccermom » Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:48 pm

Greg...no one is trying to pull any 'wool over your eyes'. Sorry but get over yourself. You don't have to be a believer....fine with me. Frankly, I don't really care what you do or don't believe.
Dx 6/22/2006 IIA rectal cancer
6 wks rad/Xeloda -finished 9/06
1st attempt transanal excision 11/06
11/17/06 XELOX 1 cycle
5 months Xeloda only Dec '06 - April '07
10+ blood clots, 1 DVT 1/07
transanal excision 4/20/07 path-NO CANCER CELLS!
NED now and forever!
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Re: Divine Healing

Postby KWT » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:16 pm

Danieljt wrote:Here we go again!


Let's end this now!

I Timothy 2:12

Ha, sorry, I can't help myself.

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Re: Divine Healing

Postby Annemiek » Sat Aug 22, 2015 1:21 am

Does that mean no Beer?

43 yr mum of a girl aged 7
10/2014 coloncancer stage IIIc
11/2014 HIPEC, tumor removed + 12 positive out of 60 ln
hysterectomy, abdominal lining partly removed
Peridonitus, stoma fitted, 6 abcesses drained in abdomen
MSS, kras
3/2015 Folfox, someones playing kill Bill inside me
9/2015 finished 12 rounds,
First scan results: NED!!!!!!!!!
4/2016 ct scan: NED!!!
7/2016 ultrasound: NED
10/2016 cr scan: NED
5/2017 ultrasound: NED 2,5 yrs!
CEA 8/2017 1.8 stable.
CT scan 11/2017 NED! 3 yrs
CEA 1.9

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Re: Divine Healing

Postby Kick'nAssCancer'sAss » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:44 am

Seriously. A new CC patient finds this board and reads this thread first they most likely are not sticking around. That is a shame.
53M Dx RC Halloween 2013
CT & BONE scan
MRI/T3N0M0 1 suspicious LN
5 wks chemo/rad
LAR open TME Feb 26/14
temp bag
0/24 nodes pCR/pathological
Folfox (8) Mar 28-Jul 4 /14
Aug/14 clear CT scan
Aug 27/14 reversal
Feb/15 clear scope
July/15 Feb/16 Feb/17 Feb/18 clear CT scans
Feb/18 clear scope
Sept 19 clear CT scan & DISCHARGED :P
Mar/23 clear scope
CEA 1.6 @ dx
1.6,1.4,1.7,2.4,2.9, 2.7 2.3 2.5 2.2 2.1 2.5 2.6 2.7
2.7 Sept 19
0-4 normal
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Re: Divine Healing

Postby jillbugs4110 » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:32 pm

Things like Joel Olsteens mother are dangerous i.doubt she was the chosen one.something does not.sound right
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Re: Divine Healing

Postby KWT » Sat Aug 22, 2015 5:53 pm

muskokamike wrote:Seriously. A new CC patient finds this board and reads this thread first they most likely are not sticking around. That is a shame.


I'm hoping anyone who comes here for serious answers would not open the "divine healing thread" anyhoo.

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Re: Divine Healing

Postby canadiandaughter » Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:56 pm

They might if they have faith!! Those that don't should just avoid it, saving a lot of problems!! I see nothing wrong with her post. Never does she say she was saved by faith alone. She has had chemo etc. Maybe her faith is what got her through all the treatments. Nothing wrong with that. Each to their own, that is what makes this board so great, so many different types of people here.
DD to 81 year old father
dx 24/07/14 iv cc mets liver/lung
folifiri started 19/07/14
shrinkage of all mets
growth in the liver,started folfox/avastin 80% 13/01/16
reduced to 70% due to side effects 27/01/16
First scan on folfox shows shrinkage in lungs, but liver just stable
6 rounds of vectibix-fail. 3cm growth and new spots showing Waiting for panel recommendations
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Nik Colon

Re: Divine Healing

Postby Nik Colon » Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:59 am

Why don't I ever get opinion on my posts? Lol, j/k. It's cool :mrgreen:

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Re: Divine Healing

Postby bitchslapped » Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:40 pm

Because there's nothing to counterpoint Ritz. You do that yourself in that you usually post both sides of the argument. A natural peacemaker you are. :wink:

BS
DSS,35YO,unresect mCRC DX 7/'14,lvr,LN,peri,rib
FOLFOX+Avstn 4 Rnds d/c 10/'14
Stent 9/'14
FOLFIRI+Avstn 10/'14
Gone From My Sight 2/20/15
Me:garden variety polyps + precancerous polyp, diverticulitis
Carergver x2 DH,DM dbl occupancy,'03-'10
DH dx 47YO mCRC,'04-'07, lvr, billiary tree fried x HAI
DM dx CC 85YO,CC,CHF,stroke,dementia,aphasia

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Re: Divine Healing

Postby Nik Colon » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:28 am

bitchslapped wrote:Because there's nothing to counterpoint Ritz. You do that yourself in that you usually post both sides of the argument. A natural peacemaker you are. :wink:

BS

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