It's always something... me, too...

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skypup
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It's always something... me, too...

Postby skypup » Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:45 pm

Went for my last scan to find progression and accepted that I'd now be on irinotecan without breaks. Not willing to crash my QOL for the long haul, I requested a lowered dose. MDA doc ordered it at 67%. Substitute local doc added Xeloda and kept iri at 67%; however, he changed my dex from 4 back to 10 without telling me (grrr). Went in last week to see regular onc with the good report that Xeloda plus reduced iri was bearable, but please reduce dex to previous level. Okay, on we go.

Not so fast: today I am sick. sick, sick. I went and looked at what they gave me yesterday. I still got the 10mg dex (sigh, but no big deal.) Then I looked at the irinotecan. FULL DOSING -- WTF??? This is after she was saying she didn't want to increase my smaller dose any to keep an eye on some Xelosa/iri interactions she is worried about.

Do I have to watch every single step, every single time?! I have had 3 good regular docs in my cancer career, but if I didn't keep tabs there is no telling how much extra suffering I would do. Actually, I'm not exaggerating when I say I think I'd be dead by now if I didn't stay involved. BUT EVERY SINGLE DETAIL???

I hate cancer. I hate the business of medicine. (I love our support for each other.)

KWT
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Re: It's always something... me, too...

Postby KWT » Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:48 pm

Sorry theresa, it is always something.

Nik Colon

Re: It's always something... me, too...

Postby Nik Colon » Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:52 pm

Definitely need to complain to someone, that is very irresponsible and dangerous!

Moon
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Re: It's always something... me, too...

Postby Moon » Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:04 pm

I hate cancer and I hate to have to check what the doctors and nurses are doing!
nov. 2011 RC Stage 3
dec. 2011 lap. rectumresection, temp. ileo.
jan.-june 2012 FLOX
aug. 2012 ileo. rev.
jan, sept 2013 surg. for livermet
june 2014 local recurrence + PC, FOFIRI/Avastin june-dec. break
june 2015 surg. for colon blockage

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MamaN
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Re: It's always something... me, too...

Postby MamaN » Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:13 pm

Sky pup
I agree it's always something! If you don't watch out many mistakes are made , they write wrong things on charts . It's friggin redicilous ! Always have to advocate for yourself .. It gets so tiring sometimes!
Dx@45 stage t3 n1b m unknown IIIB
Resected in 8/2010 rectosigmoid
5.5 tumor with 3 /26 lymph nodes
Lymph vascular invasion
Folfox sept 2010 to feb 2011
10 tx only stopped due to low wbc

bitchslapped
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Re: It's always something... me, too...

Postby bitchslapped » Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:19 pm

Skypup wrote:Do I have to watch every single step, every single time?! I have had 3 good regular docs in my cancer career, but if I didn't keep tabs there is no telling how much extra suffering I would do. Actually, I'm not exaggerating when I say I think I'd be dead by now if I didn't stay involved. BUT EVERY SINGLE DETAIL???


No kidding...there may be some truth to that statement. Communication & follow through. I don't think that is too much to expect when the clinics are so effecient in processing those checks for payment.
A patient deserves to have confidence in the tx discussed is the tx that is delivered & allowed not to be @ the top of their game every single minute. It's enough comprehending tx options, scans, labs, making decisions, face adversity, payments for services...In other words...just be the patient in the chair on those days & allowed to just be sick.

Best Wishes
bitchslapped
DSS,35YO,unresect mCRC DX 7/'14,lvr,LN,peri,rib
FOLFOX+Avstn 4 Rnds d/c 10/'14
Stent 9/'14
FOLFIRI+Avstn 10/'14
Gone From My Sight 2/20/15
Me:garden variety polyps + precancerous polyp, diverticulitis
Carergver x2 DH,DM dbl occupancy,'03-'10
DH dx 47YO mCRC,'04-'07, lvr, billiary tree fried x HAI
DM dx CC 85YO,CC,CHF,stroke,dementia,aphasia

justin case
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Re: It's always something... me, too...

Postby justin case » Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:21 pm

What I want to say may be too crass :roll: I wonder if chemo drugs, are charged by the amount given; It is something I've been contemplating :roll: The fear factor alone, would make people more willing to accept what the Onc says.
I hope you get to feeling better PUP, butt I have a particular thought in my head, that always comes back to the doctor"s profit; ( Or THE FACILITIES PROFITS)
The doctor may have no control, over the facility's protocol :roll: :roll: :roll:
Keep your eyes open.
Michael
7/11 diagnosed Stage 2 colon and rectal cancer
chemo/rad
lar/temp ilio
Reversal & port removal
21 round of chemo Folfox 9tx, 5fu 12 tx
Last treatment July 2012

skypup
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Re: It's always something... me, too...

Postby skypup » Tue Mar 17, 2015 4:57 pm

Thanks for your understanding and support, guys. I really don't know how I'd manage without you. And without this forum, I wouldn't be nearly as educated about my options.

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Re: It's always something... me, too...

Postby Badass » Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:00 pm

With everything else you have to worry about, couldn't they take care of business? My goodness! I hope this gets straightened out soon and you get the care that you deserve.

Jane
R.C. 12/23/11 at age 52 T3N0M0
3/1/12 completed Xeloda and radiation
5/4/12 LAR & Ileostomy
6/7/12-10/4/12 6 rounds Xelox
11/27/12 Reversal
7/13/13 1 liver met
8/13 Met resection /hai pump
4/14 Chemo completed (Irinotecan/5fu/fudr in pump)

cmrl
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Re: It's always something... me, too...

Postby cmrl » Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:46 pm

Unbelievable! I have been so upset with my team. I just got my dx straightened out in my chart. All this time they had the tumor listed In the wrong spot. I've been wondering if there are professional advocates one could hire. I read the posts here and I'm amazed at your knowledge. Good luck to you.
Resection of splenic flexure 7/24/13
T3N2BM0, Stage 3c,12/29 nodes
Folfox x12 9/13-3/14
CT scan 4/14, enlarged spleen, otherwise clear
CT 4/15, spleen WNL.
6/17 3 cm benign polyp at ileocecal valve, awaiting removal

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CRguy
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Re: It's always something... me, too...

Postby CRguy » Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:51 pm

Skypup wrote:Thanks for your understanding and support, guys. I really don't know how I'd manage without you. And without this forum, I wouldn't be nearly as educated about my options.

AND the ongoing discussion only makes it more important that we be our own best advocates ( or have a buddy with you who knows shit from shinola and advocates FOR you.)

stepping off soapbox temporarily !

Keep on truckin' Puppy !

Cheers
CR
Caregiver x 4
Stage IV A rectal cancer/lung met
17 Year survivor
my life is an ongoing totally randomized UNcontrolled experiment with N=1 !
Review of my Journey so far

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Re: It's always something... me, too...

Postby peanut_8 » Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:53 pm

You guys shouldn't have to worry about getting the wrong dosing. I'm really mad that you DO HAVE TO. That is frustrating. It makes you feel bad for people who can't watch out for themselves.
female, diagnosed Jan 14, RC stage 2a, age 56
MSS
April 14, 28 chemo/rad with Xeloda
June 14 adjuvant Xeloda 6 rounds
currently NED

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tchan8888
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Re: It's always something... me, too...

Postby tchan8888 » Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:55 pm

Hang in there sp!
Tom, 49 now
12/12 Right Hemicolectomy 2X (29 days in hospital)
12/12 Stage IV: multiple distant LN; no organs
20X: FOLFIRI (stopped working)
8X: 5FU
8X: FOLFOX and Avastin
2016: Clinical trial pembrozilumab MSI high

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Voxx66
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Re: It's always something... me, too...

Postby Voxx66 » Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:01 pm

In a word: yes. You (or someone acting in your interests) have to watch every single step every single time. It sucks but considering what we have seen go on - the alternative is a succession of mistakes.
DX and resect 10/2012 age 46
Stage IIa CRC
liver mets both lobes 8/2013
CEA 28
FOLFOX + Avastin 8/26/13 3 rounds
Folfox only 3 rds + rd 8
platelets low round 7,9,10 5FU only
1/14 CEA 1.0 y90
5fu
10/14 mets lung and peri
1/15 Folfiri

pukalania
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Re: It's always something... me, too...

Postby pukalania » Tue Mar 17, 2015 6:29 pm

sorry Skypup...you are quite right and this happens all over the place...i feel like a contant buggah watching over the shoulders of nurses..docs..aids etc...but there were so many mess ups in my hubby care that i can't stop checking stuff...i know sometimes the nurses are annoyed..to always answer my verification questions etc...but i bring them donuts :shock: ... on top of it..i don't know if it's just us or it's just the relaxing way of living in Hawaii...there is no rush man..like on chemo days i gotta call to make sure they order the meds and that the doc office sent them the UA..so we don't have to wait 2h for 30 min infusion...anywhos..sorry for adding to the rant..hope you feel better..irri is not fun..what helped my hubby a bit on it was a scalopine patch..good luck xoxo
wife 34 dx DH stage IV
Feb10 col res
May10 12 x FOLFOX
Aug12 tumor in sig colon,mets in liver
Aug12 Xeliri Ava
Oct12 xel celebrx rad
Feb13 liver/colon res
Sep13 ill reversal, fistula,
Folfiri SBRT,ADAPT ava
Apr 15 continued growth liver and lungs


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