RFA vs SBRT

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RFA vs SBRT

Postby eleven11 » Sun Jan 04, 2015 10:42 am

what is the difference between the two and why does MSKCC prefer RFA for lung mets? My mom's team always talks about SBRT.
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Re: RFA vs SBRT

Postby Mastan » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:14 pm

eleven11 wrote:what is the difference between the two and why does MSKCC prefer RFA for lung mets? My mom's team always talks about SBRT.


Preference is probably dependent on individual circumstances. RFA is invasive whereas SBRT is not.
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Re: RFA vs SBRT

Postby BrownBagger » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:32 pm

Mastan wrote:Preference is probably dependent on individual circumstances. RFA is invasive whereas SBRT is not.


I'm pretty sure this is true. They do both at MSKCC, I believe.

RFA may be invasive, but that doesn't necessarily mean there's more collateral damage. I had RFA with no residual diminution in lung capacity or function, but I've heard that SBRT can cause significant collateral damage. Again, probably depending on the individual situation, location of the tumors, etc.

I'm inclined to go with whatever my onc recommends. She knows a lot more about it than I do.
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Re: RFA vs SBRT

Postby Mastan » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:52 pm

BrownBagger wrote:
Mastan wrote:Preference is probably dependent on individual circumstances. RFA is invasive whereas SBRT is not.


I'm pretty sure this is true. They do both at MSKCC, I believe.

RFA may be invasive, but that doesn't necessarily mean there's more collateral damage. I had RFA with no residual diminution in lung capacity or function, but I've heard that SBRT can cause significant collateral damage. Again, probably depending on the individual situation, location of the tumors, etc.

I'm inclined to go with whatever my onc recommends. She knows a lot more about it than I do.


I am inclined to believe that RFA creates less collateral damage than SBRT. I had SBRT and had noticable loss of lung function from just 4 spots that were treated with SBRT. I view SBRT as a last resort based upon my experience.
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Re: RFA vs SBRT

Postby Moon » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:55 pm

RFA - radiofrequenzablation. That means tissue will be destroyed from heat.

SBRT - stereotactic body radiation therapy. It is a kind of radiation.
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Re: RFA vs SBRT

Postby Rob in PA » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:20 pm

Simply put, in terms of order of preference...
1. Surgery
2. RFA
3. SBRT

Of course, there are other treatments, but i show this just to give you an idea of where SBRT sits. I had SBRT done three different times because i could not qualify for RFA or surgery. Once i got to the point where surgery was an option, I jumped on the chance and had VATS done on lung.

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Folfox-8
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2/09 liver mets; liver resect/ileo reversal
Folfiri/Avastin - 12
2/11 5 lung mets
Folfiri/Avastin 2011
SBRT 3/12
Lung met 5/13/ said NO to more chemo
SBRT 8/13
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Re: RFA vs SBRT

Postby KWT » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:35 pm

Rob in PA wrote:Simply put, in terms of order of preference...
1. Surgery
2. RFA
3. SBRT

Of course, there are other treatments, but i show this just to give you an idea of where SBRT sits. I had SBRT done three different times because i could not qualify for RFA or surgery. Once i got to the point where surgery was an option, I jumped on the chance and had VATS done on lung.

Best,
Rob


Rob, why did you never qualify for RFA?

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Re: RFA vs SBRT

Postby Rob in PA » Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:37 pm

kennyt-wisted wrote:
Rob in PA wrote:Simply put, in terms of order of preference...
1. Surgery
2. RFA
3. SBRT

Of course, there are other treatments, but i show this just to give you an idea of where SBRT sits. I had SBRT done three different times because i could not qualify for RFA or surgery. Once i got to the point where surgery was an option, I jumped on the chance and had VATS done on lung.

Best,
Rob


Rob, why did you never qualify for RFA?


If i recall, one of the tumors was too close to the heart.
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LAR/J-pouch/ temp ileo
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2/11 5 lung mets
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SBRT 3/12
Lung met 5/13/ said NO to more chemo
SBRT 8/13
2 lung mets 5/14, VATS 8/14, NED

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Re: RFA vs SBRT

Postby hart2hart » Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:11 pm

I would ask questions ----- why not RFA?

Pete just had successful RFA this past Wednesday and is back to work full time today!

Really pretty easy.....and the Docs at MSK were simply fantastic! Just saying.........





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Re: RFA vs SBRT

Postby vancouver eve » Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:11 am

I chose SBRT three times. I did not request RFA. I have not had any known side effects to this date. I believe whatever works for you, should be your choice. My Onc. always allows me to have my input.

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Re: RFA vs SBRT

Postby janderson » Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:22 am

The preference at MSKCC might have to do with cost and your insurance coverage. My insurance wouldn't cover SBRT. I fought it all the way to the state health department and still lost but they approved ablation almost immediately without any resistance. There is a huge cost difference, RFA being tens of thousands of dollars cheaper.
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liver resection 12-05 Folfox1-05 to 7-06
Liver resection 8-07 Folfiri 9-07 to 3-08
Liver resection 12-11
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7/3/14, y90 radioembolization, steady shrinkage
12/8/14, cryoablation to liver and chest wall
6/1 to 6/26 SBRT radio surgery
7/2 more cryo ablation to right lung
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Re: RFA vs SBRT

Postby Mastan » Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:27 am

hart2hart wrote:I would ask questions ----- why not RFA?

Pete just had successful RFA this past Wednesday and is back to work full time today!

Really pretty easy.....and the Docs at MSK were simply fantastic! Just saying.........


How many spots did he have treated? The number and location will play a role in the choice of treatment
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Re: RFA vs SBRT

Postby KWT » Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:39 am

I'm going to see the IR today to get some info. I,have a suspicious spot that's on the edge of where I was radiated. The rad onc says scar or met not sure. Hopefully they can work near radiated tissue.


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