Is the cannabis cure losing steam?

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Is the cannabis cure losing steam?

Postby KWT » Sat Dec 27, 2014 1:53 pm

one would think if the oil cures in 60 doses we would be hearing of some success by now.

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Re: Is the cannabis cure losing steam?

Postby singingholly » Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:09 pm

Who's been on just oil for 60 doses?
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Re: Is the cannabis cure losing steam?

Postby KWT » Sat Dec 27, 2014 3:31 pm

Olivia, I thought the Rick Simpson claim was you could cure any cancer in 60 1 gram doses?

Carmen knows most about this. I don't think she believes it's a cure all but beneficial in ways.

It doesn't seem like I'm hearing as much about this lately.

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Re: Is the cannabis cure losing steam?

Postby singingholly » Sat Dec 27, 2014 5:10 pm

It's not easy at all to get believable data just collecting experiences here and there, I'm afraid.
But like you I would be glad to know if some observational study is available...
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Re: Is the cannabis cure losing steam?

Postby KWT » Sat Dec 27, 2014 5:14 pm

A lot of people are using along with chemo so who knows what's doing what? I do know that for nausea and appetite it's a winner.

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Re: Is the cannabis cure losing steam?

Postby Cb75 » Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:10 pm

Maybe yes, maybe no....Like anything else, there is no clear answer. I can say, it does SOMETHING BENEFICIAL for ME. This is all I can attest to. Each person needs to find their own path. Healing can occur on many levels - emotional, physical and spiritual. No one can say, which one works and which one doesn't because of the system that we are forced to be a part of. There is also the placebo effect, which is an issue for any treatment. What I can say, is that my opinion is that each person needs to find something to help them on whatever level they believe needs help. For me the Cannabis Oil has helped boost my immune system and get me through chemo. It has also helped me mentally deal with this disease and come to terms with my own thoughts on spirituality and death. This I know based on my personal experience, knowing what I take (conventional and non conventional/natural), what I eat, what I think about. I see a benefit and I feel the benefit. This is what I know for me.

For those that are interested in this supplement, there is a lot of information out there but it is difficult to decipher which is reliable. It is also not an easy path to take. It takes quite some time and dedication. This i think is a huge issue for those who use it. The 60 grams in 60 days is a very rough guide and often used as a 'catch phrase'. I don't ascribe to it. For most, it requires much much more and it is by no means a cure all. However, for some it does work....

I'm open to any discussion on this, if anyone wants more information please send me a message.

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Re: Is the cannabis cure losing steam?

Postby justin case » Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:14 pm

Seems to me like people are using steam to process it :roll: :roll:
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Re: Is the cannabis cure losing steam?

Postby singingholly » Sun Dec 28, 2014 2:21 am

Thank you Carm, I share and appreciate your attitude.
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Re: Is the cannabis cure losing steam?

Postby Ratepo » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:44 am

Here in the Netherlands it's getting more attention lately with some patients stating they are in remission because of medical cannabis. The most recent study about it also states some good things. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25269802
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Re: Is the cannabis cure losing steam?

Postby elise » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:57 pm

I call crap on an overall cure (for most people) BUTT I do think it has some use in helping with side effects.
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Re: Is the cannabis cure losing steam?

Postby peanut_8 » Mon Dec 29, 2014 9:19 pm

Ratepo wrote:Here in the Netherlands it's getting more attention lately with some patients stating they are in remission because of medical cannabis. The most recent study about it also states some good things. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25269802


That was difficult for me to understand, but the last sentence looks promising:

CBG hampers colon cancer progression in vivo and selectively inhibits the growth of CRC cells, an effect shared by other TRPM8 antagonists. CBG should be considered translationally in CRC prevention and cure.


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Re: Is the cannabis cure losing steam?

Postby stars9979 » Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:27 am

also my experience, tried it once, and didnt know dosing, so ingested as much as possible ( since the syringe exploded everywhere....) so a gram, is WAYYYYY too much to start with, it was hell and caused a hospital stay....

Then upon more research... a rice grain three times a day until you can get a gram a day going..... anyone confirm this?
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Re: Is the cannabis cure losing steam?

Postby Ratepo » Tue Dec 30, 2014 2:35 am

I think a couple of drops are enough each day. But this is mentioned when you buy it, it's called CBD and can easily be bought online.
If it would be me I think I would give it a try, but I would also consult the onc about it.
Father dx 10/12 rectal 4a
11/12 3 liver mets resected
01/13 colostomy
07/13 scan: 1 liver met, op. failed: multiple discovered, start xelox
12/13 mets shrink (kras mut.)
01/14 liver op new hospital: 2 mets removed others disappeared
05/14 & 09/14 NED
01/15 CEA rise to 5
05/15 local reccurence - rad + Xeloda
10/15 op. failed unremovable mets lower pelvis

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Re: Is the cannabis cure losing steam?

Postby Cb75 » Wed Dec 31, 2014 1:27 pm

Its a few drops a day, then increase every few days until you get to the desired dose, which is typically around a gram depending on the profile of the oil. It can be done, and you can function quite well.

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Re: Is the cannabis cure losing steam?

Postby GrouseMan » Wed Dec 31, 2014 2:51 pm

Ratepo wrote:Here in the Netherlands it's getting more attention lately with some patients stating they are in remission because of medical cannabis. The most recent study about it also states some good things. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25269802


The work cited in this reference is a much simpler compound derived more from Hemp than the cannabis most people are using/advocating. See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabigerol.

The paper seems to indicate that it expresses most of its activity via inhibition of the CB2 receptor resulting in apoptosis (Cell death) of the tumor cells. This receptor has been linked to effects on the Immune system see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... edirect=no.

TRPM8 receptor seems to be mostly involved with the modulation of Pain and Inflammation. It is activated by cold - and might effect cold intolerance. Perhaps someone taking this could comment on whether it moderates or reduces the cold intolerance resulting from Oxaliplatin use?

Remember that this research is very new only having been studied in tumor cells and mouse models of colon cancer so far. YMMV

Regards,

GrouseMan

PS - One other thing - Phenols like this are often what medicinal chemists such as myself refer to as Promiscuous molecules. They have some binding activity across many different receptors and proteins making it sometimes difficult to determine how they work or if the inhibition seen is due to what is observed or perhaps some receptor we don't yet know about!
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8/16/15 CEA Up, CT new abdominal mets. Iri, 5-FU, Avastin every 2 wks.
1/16 Iri, Erbitux and likely Avastin (Trial) CEA going >.
1/17 CEA up again dropped from Trial, Mets growth 4-6 mm in abdomen
5/2/17 Failed second trial, Hospitalized 15 days 5/11. Home Hospice 5/26, at peace 6/4/2017


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